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Comments on news posted 2006-03-31 10:18:52: There's been ample grumbling this week about the 1. ..

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dadkins
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Game Download Softwares are Junk!

Don't care if it's this or Steam... It's garbage!

Let *ME* download/upload if *I* choose.
Let me play my games how and when I wish!

Another Lost Sale...

EDIT: Typo
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AthlGrond
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Typical

This is typical for the way that Blizzard has run WoW. They act as if they have no money when it comes to supporting their game. After a while it became tedious dealing with their chintzyness (for me at least, others appear to be immune ).

The only reason I care anymore is that I have friends who still play and I occasionally get to hear about the issues (the issues which essentially have not changed in the year since I stopped playing).
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CapinPete
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reply to dadkins
Re: Game Download Softwares are Junk!

What does Steam have to do with this? Valve has its own content servers so you never upload anything. Steam only updates games that you have set to auto update and only when Steam is running. Most people think this is a good thing, especially since you can't play the online games without updating. I would rather Steam download the update while I'm sleeping than have to download it when I want to play. But Steam is off-topic since it's not even close to being the samething.

What Blizzard did is BS. The function should have been disabled by default, not the other way around. It's unfortunate that these companies get away with things like this because your average joe doesn't have a clue to what's going on.


AthlGrond
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said by CapinPete See Profile :

Valve has its own content servers so you never upload anything.
This is the essential difference. In fact I would go so far as to say that Blizzard has really set themselves apart from what a typical game company does for distributing updates for their flagship product, and not in a good way.

said by CapinPete See Profile :

What Blizzard did is BS. The function should have been disabled by default, not the other way around. It's unfortunate that these companies get away with things like this because your average joe doesn't have a clue to what's going on.
Well you know what they say: It's easier to apologise than to ask for permission.
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bradleym

join:2002-08-05
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Now here's the real B.S.

You CAN'T disable the piece of shit as indicated in the FAQ from Blizzard. You can uncheck the boxes, but they re-check themselves when you close the app.


Sefirato
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Makes me really glad I left the game for good a couple of weeks ago. (thank god for deleting my gears permanently and then deleting the character, and then the account).

I knew somehow that 1.10 was gonna break everything... apparently it did just that, and more.
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MASantangelo
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You know...

You know... I live at a university where the upload limit is set to 512MB in a 7 day period.

I leave my computer on 24/7, and I am logged into World of Warcraft for... more than I'd like to admit as a 'busy' college student.

So the point is this. My total outbound traffic over the course of a full week (including whatever World of Warcraft Bit-Torrent Uploader uses) is 64 megs. And even if that is ALL allocated to World of Warcraft Bit-Torrent (which I'm sure it's not) that works out to less than 10 megs a day which is not going to kill your cap with any ISP. 10 megs a day is about what, .42 megs an hour, .007 megs per minute, .11 kilos a second?

Don't get me wrong, having it run without my permission is the last thing that I want happening, but its not going to KILL your connection.

Pardon my ignorance if I've missed anything...
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dadkins
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reply to CapinPete
Re: Game Download Softwares are Junk!

Last time I played ANY of my online games, I couldn't play online until I downloaded the newest patch... No "manager" involved!

Steam is a manager. You can't play the game without it. Screw that!

Blizzard just took it a step further, again - Screw that!
You go right ahead and use whatever you wish on YOUR computer, I'll pass thank you!
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Re: You know...

10 MB's a day means nothing since BitTorrent style usage can vary heavily based on the day/time of day. One day it may be 10 MB a day, the next it could be 10 MB a minute, just don't know when you're meeting supply and demand of thousands of users looking for a patch.

I think it's wrong and users should be allowed to turn it off if they don't want to share they're bandwith.

MASantangelo
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reply to MASantangelo
I agree whole heartidly about being able to turn it off when they please - that's a given with all software. If I don't want it then it doesn't run on my system.

But I'm saying I downloaded the patch through the tool earlier this week and have been sharing it since I got it and had negligible bandwidth usage. Surely it isn't as bad as its made out to be if during a patch week I don't waste more than 64 megs. *shrugs*
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Dave7

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Easy enough to disable guys - simply rename the Backgrounddownloader.exe

It's has never run on my system.

Also Blizzard has posted the proper .REG keys to truly disable it on their Tech Support Forums.

Leod

join:2005-11-07
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reply to dadkins
Re: Game Download Softwares are Junk!

Er, you realize that you don't have to download the patch using the bittorrent client right? You can easily find another free webserver to download the latest patch from. Yes, you can argue that you shouldn't need to but it's not like no other options exist for people. I do agree that they went too far with the BT background downloader and it should be changed (unless they provide discounts for their subscriptions based on how much you upload - of course, this would lead to many other troublesome problems) but somehow I'm feeling you just have something against WoW and want to make a crusade out of it.


dadkins
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WTF? No, I have something against *ANY* game manager software that has to be on my machine just so I can play a game. Not happening!

Whether it is Blizzard/Steam/whatever, it's bullshit!
Blizzard just totally stepped in it with this BT uploading fiasco!

As I said, if any of you don't mind a manager just to play a game... Go For it!
Not for me!
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G_Poobah

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This is what middle maangers DO.

So, one day, some middle level manager, whose not smart enough to code, but not crafty enough to avoid doing work, comes up with this new idea. "Why should Blizzard pay for bandwidth, when we can make our customers do it!"

So he makes up a big fancy excel spreadsheet, calculating the cost savings with this new 'viral' feature they will roll out. The numbers look good, and there could be a bonus in it for this manager! He makes up a big powerpoint presentation, schedules the conference room, gathers up the bean counters and the clueless suits, and makes his pitch. It's a HIT! "Wow, we'll save all this money doing it this way!" shout the bean counters. "Bigger bonuses for us!" cry the suits. "It's a feature" yells the marketing dweeb. And so it is done.

The problem is that none of the customers signed up for this. See, part of the cost of the subscription price includes download the patch. In fact, they aren't even FREE patches, you have to pay every month to get them. So, as the customer, what execatly do I GAIN from having this virus run on my system. It doesn't matter if it's only using 1kb or 10mb or my pipe, I didn't sign up for it, and I don't want it.

Blizzard made the classic mistake of letting a middle manager set policy. Saving money isn't the best way to increase profits, if you piss people off. They can't let 'greed' be the defining force of their company, otherwise they will end up like SOE, and we've all seen how well that works out.

Solution: Fire the manager who came up with the idea, and punish everyone who approved it. Then, make an OFFER to your customers, say, $1.00 off your subscription if you agree to upload 100MB of data or something like that. Make it so the savings of this idea are passed on to customers who WANT the savings, not to the middle managers bonus, or the clueless suits new porshe. Pissing off customers is a bad idea, and unless you are a monopoloy like verizon or comcrap, the net result from the negative publicity far outweighs any savings you may get.
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TOPDAWG
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This is BS

WOW this is BS I was going to get back into WOW this weekend after a brake well forget that now.


Cheese
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reply to dadkins
Re: Game Download Softwares are Junk!

said by dadkins See Profile :

Don't care if it's this or Steam... It's garbage!

Let *ME* download/upload if *I* choose.
Let me play my games how and when I wish!

Another Lost Sale...

EDIT: Typo
I like Steam But, Steam doesn't just download unless an update has been pushed out.


sivran
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reply to dadkins
That's the thing -- It doesn't -have- to be on your machine. You can delete it. You can quickly and easily download the patch from filefront and apply it.

That aside, WoW is boring anyway.
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Shilarva

join:2001-02-12
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reply to Leod
Er, you realize that you don't have to download the patch using the bittorrent client right?
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Does nothing in this case sorry to say.

When you boot WoW now, the client starts up with it in the background. So long as you're playing, its allowed to upload.

In some cases, the process doesn't terminate and you'll still see it uploading as well. Ugh. If you read the forum thread linked, you'll see people talking about this point.

The crap bliz did this time is outright shady. You can't disable it, as it re-enables next time opened.

If they made it voluntary, and even better, gave discounts because you're saving them bandwidth....that'd be one thing. They do no such thing. You deal with the headache, they rake in the cash.


Cheese
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reply to G_Poobah
Re: This is what middle maangers DO.

said by G_Poobah See Profile :

So, one day, some middle level manager, whose not smart enough to code, but not crafty enough to avoid doing work, comes up with this new idea. "Why should Blizzard pay for bandwidth, when we can make our customers do it!"

So he makes up a big fancy excel spreadsheet, calculating the cost savings with this new 'viral' feature they will roll out. The numbers look good, and there could be a bonus in it for this manager! He makes up a big powerpoint presentation, schedules the conference room, gathers up the bean counters and the clueless suits, and makes his pitch. It's a HIT! "Wow, we'll save all this money doing it this way!" shout the bean counters. "Bigger bonuses for us!" cry the suits. "It's a feature" yells the marketing dweeb. And so it is done.

The problem is that none of the customers signed up for this. See, part of the cost of the subscription price includes download the patch. In fact, they aren't even FREE patches, you have to pay every month to get them. So, as the customer, what execatly do I GAIN from having this virus run on my system. It doesn't matter if it's only using 1kb or 10mb or my pipe, I didn't sign up for it, and I don't want it.

Blizzard made the classic mistake of letting a middle manager set policy. Saving money isn't the best way to increase profits, if you piss people off. They can't let 'greed' be the defining force of their company, otherwise they will end up like SOE, and we've all seen how well that works out.

Solution: Fire the manager who came up with the idea, and punish everyone who approved it. Then, make an OFFER to your customers, say, $1.00 off your subscription if you agree to upload 100MB of data or something like that. Make it so the savings of this idea are passed on to customers who WANT the savings, not to the middle managers bonus, or the clueless suits new porshe. Pissing off customers is a bad idea, and unless you are a monopoloy like verizon or comcrap, the net result from the negative publicity far outweighs any savings you may get.
1. You are paying a monthly fee for your account, not patches.

2. Viral? WTF? Are you stupid? You agreed to the terms, this is part of the terms. Don't like it? Don't play.


Grethor
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reply to dadkins
Re: Game Download Softwares are Junk!

Have fun watching TV.
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