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Walden, NY | What about Bluetooth? Isn't that RF also? Have they studied the risk of that?
I rarely use my wireless phone, but when I do I guess I'll be pulling out that earbud more frequently!
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|  Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | said by Boomer86:Isn't that RF also? Have they studied the risk of that? Yes but at much much lower power. | |
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | Re: What about Bluetooth? said by Combat Chuck:said by Boomer86:Isn't that RF also? Have they studied the risk of that? Yes but at much much lower power. I seem to remember hearing that RJ Reynolds kept saying smoking wasn't bad for us. Even with warnings on the packages, people still paid no mind. Same story, different company(s)  | |
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| Mobile Phone Cancer Link I wonder what effect using a Bluetooth has? Still radio frequencies being broadcast right into the brain and what about those (mostly men) who walk around the shopping malls with the Bluetooth in 100% of the time?
Different radio spectrum perhaps but??? | |
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| Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
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Erie, PA | Re: Mobile Phone Cancer Link A high power bluetooth transmitter might put out 0.1 Watts of RF energy, my cellphone can put out 2 Watts.
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A high power bluetooth transmitter might put out 0.1 Watts of RF energy, my cellphone can put out 2 Watts.
Thats a big difference
???What phone puts out that much RF man. The bag phone did at 3 watts. Your digital phone puts out .3 watts max, not 2. And most of the studies are used in analog mode where they push the most. | |
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3 edits | Re: Mobile Phone Cancer Link said by primeomega:What phone puts out that much RF man. The bag phone did at 3 watts. Your digital phone puts out .3 watts max, not 2. And most of the studies are used in analog mode where they push the most. Nokia 6102b from the manual:
Transmitter output power, up to 2 Watts.
Cordless phones might cap out at .3 watts but only have a range of a couple hundred feet.
You guys can sit back and ignore that at best the evidence is inconclusive. Wisdom would dictate that the doctrine of minimizing exposure when it's convenient is the wise thing to do, especially when it's actually more convenient than holding the damn thing up to your ear all the time, and it's not like it's expensive to buy a headset, my wired headset cost like 8 bucks.
It's almost like some of you do act like this just to be contrite. I hope your sense of pride gets you thru the chemo if studies like these turn out to be right.
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Brooklyn, NY | Which has what to do with the matter at hand...? | |
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Japan Inc. | Re: "Swedish study" As you know, CDMA has a lower output power than GSM.
My PHS has 0.01W. It's actually used also by doctors and nurses in hospitals... | |
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| Who Should We Believe? First they said cell phones were safe. Then they said they cause cancer. Many studies were done by various groups around the world and their collective findings were that cell phone usage does not cause cancer. Now the Swedes say you can get a malignant tumor on the side of your head where you use your phone!
When I see the thousands of women who live with a cell phone attached to their heads from morning until night with large growths extruding from the sides of their heads, I will use the speakerphone or earbud exclusively. Until then, it's just more bull! | |
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Cedar Hill, TX | Re: Who Should We Believe? Wow... some clarity in a world of chaos [DSLR]... It's refreshing to see!
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| Re: Who Should We Believe? To find out for sure, we need another 20 years of data.
Thank you to all who choose to be a test subject, you are helping to keep the economy rolling along.
Btw I have volunteered to be a test subject for the mass consumption of diet soda for the last 30 years.
And yes it does seem to increase the chance for a tumor or 2 or 3
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|  TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
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NYC Metro | said by JukeBoxHero:First they said cell phones were safe. Then they said they cause cancer. Many studies were done by various groups around the world and their collective findings were that cell phone usage does not cause cancer. Now the Swedes say you can get a malignant tumor on the side of your head where you use your phone! When I see the thousands of women who live with a cell phone attached to their heads from morning until night with large growths extruding from the sides of their heads, I will use the speakerphone or earbud exclusively. Until then, it's just more bull! The laws of physics are not bullshit. Cancer doesn't develop overnight. Those people will wind up with problems down the road. People want to live to 70 or 80 today, right? So having a cell phone on your head at the age of 10 (like many people today) will bring you problems long before you reach the "golden" age your grandparents lived to.
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I could just as easily conclude that cancer caused higher cell phone use. (I know if I were diagnosed with a brain tumor, I'd probably be calling my family more)
Or that living in Sweden causes brain tumors.
You can't call it science without doing a little science.
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Long Beach, NY | What 'type' of cell phones... I want to know what kind of phones these people in the study were using. I'm sure they know if they were old Analog phones, which I assume account for the most of the time these 2200 people in the study with cancer used, and what about the people that didn't have cancer. Did they NOT use cell phones at all or did they not start using phones until after the move to newer Digital phones, GSM, etc.
The point is that they will never really truly be able to link cell phones, and more specifically which types, to cancer. Unless they can perform a controlled experiment, how can they know all the true factors. Perhaps they should take a bunch of lab rats and make them talk on the phone for prolonged periods of time and see if they develop brain tumors  | |
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Snohomish, WA | This reminds me of... the movie "Thank you for Smoking"...haha...nice...
In my opinion, there is bound to be something cellphones cause if we always have them right next to our brain. | |
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Minas Tirith | Re: Nextel said by odreian615:dont want to sound like a dyck but Nextel has to be the most cancerous phone company out there just notice how all of your electronics go crazy when your nextel is about to ring OT, but..
I set up the Treo's at work and we have Nextel as our provider. When the phone is receiving/transmitting you get all sorts of interference on the phone and even static on the monitor. | |
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Miami, FL | word This is just in...
Having sex can raise the risk of getting HIV or AIDS.
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So now your phone is going to be in your pocket, up next at 10 using handsfree and having your phone in your pocket can cause leg cancer. | |
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Falls Church, VA | What's a 240% increase? So what's the chance now? A 240% increase could mean the chance of a tumor increases from 0.01% to 0.024%. | |
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| Old news people have been saying this for years. It seems everything will cause cancer these days, not just cell phones but wifi, GM foods, the soil, your grandmother  . I am just going to live my life how I want I mean would you rather just go into a fetal position with an aluminum foil hat on and never do anything. If cell phones really did cause cancer then we would all be dying now. Even if you don't use a cell phone RF waves are all around you, besides what keeps you from getting cancer if the phone is just a foot or two away?
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Miami, FL | Re: Old news Nothing is always 100% good, anything you do has an effect. If you grind ice with your teeth, your teeth get more worn out.
If you drive 50 more miles than yesterday obviously your tires will be more worn out than if drive 20 times.
While some thing's may cause more stronger problems than other's it would not make me live under a rock all my life just because somebody said it's bad.
People smoke, drink liquor and know that these thing's have side effects yet we still do them.
So what makes RF any different than these things? I must agree with you that I rather live my life the way I want it to be instead of dying under a rock knowning I was being cautious.
Stop being paranoid, go jump off a plane, stand in front of train, or eat that twinkie. You will live shorter but a much more enjoyable one. | |
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Manchester, CT | I heard of a study in the late 80's that said dreaming caused brain cancer. Like, if any of it were true, we could do anything about it. | |
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1 edit | Who Cares? I can get hit by a car tomorrow or die of food poisoning on the next party I go to.
Shoot, we should all live underground nowadays because the sun also increases our change to get cancer.
Being born dramatically increases your chance to get cancer, but I don't see anyone regretting it.
When I was young, I used to play with these roof tiles made out of asbestos and I have yet to get cancer anywhere. | |
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NYC Metro | RF Exposure It's funny that it took them this long to figure it out. Having a transmitter next to your head for long periods isn't exactly the "smartest" idea. Want to know what RF signals do your tissue? It heats it up, like a microwave... For example, running antennas for ham radio requires calculations to figure out if there will be RF exposure. Radio waves are safe AT a distance. With cell phones, a foot or two would be FAR safer. With high powered 50, 100 or 1500 watt ham radio stations you need more space around the antenna.
I have a cell phone, but I only use it when I have to. I am not really fond of phones anyway.
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Jacksonville, FL | Wireless woes? There is such a thing as a resonant frequency which can be likened to conductivity in electrical circuits. The human body has a resonant frequency (wish I could remember the exact Hz). If there is RF transmitting at the body's resonant frequency, that poses the greatest risk. If the RF is outside that frequency, the human body is less attuned to it and its 'conductivity' of that RF is less, hence less harmful to the body.
I do believe the resonant freq is quite low for humans. While being subjected to wireless access points, cell phones continually is not all that preferable, it is not as harmful as it could be.
Next month there will be another report refuting these claims and the debate will go on. I'm not going to give up my wireless stuff yet | |
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Blairsville, GA | Cell Phone Cancer That's the reason my dad doesn't and probably will never own a wireless phone.(Other than the 3 watt "Handsfree" BagPhone that Onstar uses through VZW AMPS.)I personally think there are a lot of factors involved, such as specific phone models, type of signal, and even the frequency. Because even at the same TX/RX power a 1900mhz phone would have a harder time penetrating your skull than a 850mhz. I'd be willing to bet that these tests were mostly tested on GSM 900mhz, and if you used the UTMS 2100mhz spectrum, then the percent should drop considerably. Either that or they were using data that was started years ago, back in the AMPS days. Who I feel bad for, are the people who first tested AMPS, when they didn't know much about the harmful effects of high wattage RF, and tested something like a 5 or 10 watt phone.
Another alternative, that I haven't saw listed yet, would be the use of a plug-in external antenna. Such as the quality ones made by Wilson Cellular. I use them in my car and at my house. It gives the phone better reception, and it helps on battery life, because it doesn't have to work as hard trying to keep service, which makes the phone produce more power, therefore making it more dangerous. Also for my car, having the external antenna stops the annoying GSM/GPRS/EDGE timeslot buzz through my stereo.
But, worrying too much about stuff isn't good for you either. I know too many people who let every little thing they hear or see bother them, and they are stressed out a lot, and that's just as bad as RF through your head, or chicken feces fed to cows, or whatever else that will kill us. Hell, we are all going to die someday, so we might as well enjoy the life we have left.
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| Most of you are ignorant Just like you are about your government, the food you eat, the water you drink, the air you breathe. I'm not saying be paranoid but you should at least get over you're arrogance and feelings of invisibility and question what you eat, drink, breathe and use day to day.
RF could possibly damage or delete the DNA of ONE cell and that ONE cell could multiply out of control because of it and that would be cancer. It's as simple as that.
A man carrying a cellphone in his pocket for example and RF could possibly damage or delete parts of the DNA in sperm. Something related is the deletions of DNA on the Y chromosome which is what makes a man a man.
This is what deletion is.
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And with time this is what happens.
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»www.mja.com.au/public/issues/171···son.html
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There's radiation everywhere. You can get cancer from your grandfather who smoke 5 packs of Parlaments a day!
If you wanna protect yourself, stay at home in a plastic bubble and never leave. Otherwise, shut the f*ck up and get over it.
Everything causes cancer. If not from a cell phone, from other shit. Look at Christopher's Reeve's wife. She never smoked a day in her f*cking life and she died of Lung Cancer. What did the doctors say on TV, "just bad luck" I heard it with my own ears!! | |
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Erie, PA | Re: Again with this B.S.???? Hey why don't you go drive off a cliff then, it'll be fun and you'll make the gene pool stronger. After all, you're gonna die anyway. | |
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Winfield, AL | Re: for all of you saying it will just cause other cancers... Not all brain tumors are inoperable. I'll take my chances thanks!
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