brianiscool
join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL | hah
No one is going to waste their money on this. |
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toddbs98
join:2000-07-08
North Little Rock, AR
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IT seems this business model is doomed to fail. Who wants to pay twice what retail is on most DVDs and not be able to play them on a stand alone DVD player? This is one of the dumbest things I have heard of yet!
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Shack
join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN | No thanks
This gets a big no from me. For that price I want unrestricted use on PCs and ability to burn to a DVD. That much restriction it had better be much, much cheaper. |
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rsa0
join:2003-01-25
Birmingham, AL | Now, why wouldn't I buy the DVD in the first place and pay for this crap. Do this guys have s#!@& for brains ?! |
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amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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like I'd buy that! Sorry, but like Rhapsody/Napster, the future is probably subscriptions.. I have Vongo now, and while the selection might leave some to be desired, it's still darn cool to be able to hook up, say, a laptop to a tv and watch a movie pretty much on demand.
They gave me some weird survey, and one question went something like, "would you pay $16-$18 (can't remember what the exact price was) for a download which you could burn?"
I said "no" but it already sounds better than this ultra restrictiveness.
What ever happened to rumored tivo partnerships with netflix?
That'd be amazing. Get just about anything, at a cheap price, easily, without hassle. For a reasonable price, I'd bet they'd make a killing with the ability to then burn your download after the show was over... something like, "hey, for $5 more bucks, you can burn this movie and watch it again!" People would eat it up. ...Say it was the standard $4 or so for PPV, then $5 to burn, they'd make an instant near $10, say $12-15 for newer flicks... |
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
| Too 'greedy' to get it
So, they are charging MORE for the same movie that you can get the same day on DVD from the store.
Then, it's not really a DVD, but a low quality rendition of a DVD.
And of course, you can't play it in your DVD player.
You don't even get a jewel case to store it.
There's no extras, or commentaries, or alternate languages either.
Yep, just that one PC, no bringing it with you on your notebook.
Oh, did I warn you about the byte caps my ISP has? They are invisible, but you're stuff is gonna cost me there too.
Oh yes, don't forget, you get to pay MORE for it, instead of less.
Please, mr. MPAA exec, may I have another?
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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Re: Doomed to failure
said by toddbs98  : IT seems this business model is doomed to fail. Who wants to pay twice what retail is on most DVDs and not be able to play them on a stand alone DVD player? This is one of the dumbest things I have heard of yet! A couple thoughts on your comments.
I think Hollywood and the MPAA are trying to learn from the music industry being too slow to adapt. Stand alone DVD players are eventually going to die out. Multimedia appliances(multimedia PCs; Xbox 360, etc) are what is coming. Hollywood is just getting ready for the paradigm shift.
Downloading can be more convenient than driving thru traffic to the local mall to get your movies.
One of these 2 firms allows copying to a DVD and running on multiple PCs.
Will this replace the purchased DVD from Wal-Mart now. No, it won't. But it is a first step in recognizing the changes coming and getting ready for them. It is a much smarter response than what the RIAA and the music industry did.
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hopeflicker
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| said by TKJunkMail : Stand alone DVD players are eventually going to die out. Multimedia appliances(multimedia PCs; Xbox 360, etc) are what is coming.
Umm, DVD is going to be around for quite sometime. Especially standalones for TVs. Downloading can be more convenient than driving thru traffic to the local mall to get your movies.
Umm, Not for $20-30. And they say it's dvd quality. So, will this mean the movie will be the exact same size if you were to rip it from a TRUE DVD? It is a much smarter response than what the RIAA and the music industry did.
This is not smarter than the RIAA. The RIAA does let vendors sell most songs for .99. And most of these songs can be played on a good majority of mp3 players unlike you are limited to watching the movies only on computers. --
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | reply to toddbs98
I think it will only be a matter of time that the middlemen that control the bandwidth from a QoS will implement their own solutions and inhibit performance of 3rd party endeavors. Network neutralness will fail and this will be another victim. |
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Tripx
join:2006-04-03
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Re: Too 'greedy' to get it
First you say its going to be a low quality rendition of a DVD, meaning it is going to be a small download then you complain about the byte cap of your ISP. So do you want a DVD ISO or a rip? |
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
| Why would I want this again?
So they're trying to sell me a movie stripped of the DVD's extras, that I can't play on any of my DVD players, and that may or may not be the same quality as the DVD itself? And they want me to pay more for this?
Sorry, but I see this as just like online music vs. CDs for me. (In that case it's, lower quality than CDs, no extras like the lyrics, and DRM locked to one format/player.)
The difference with movies and music though is that listening to music is can be a passive experience. You can listen to it while working, driving, jogging, relaxing, etc. Watching a movie, however, demands your near-constant attention. Definitely can't be done while working (at least not at my job), driving (though I'm sure some drivers would try to do just that), or jogging (unless you want to trip over something).
I'm sure the downloadable movies will sell, but it'll wind up being a niche product.
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Zaber
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join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH
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| I don't understand
New films will cost about $20 to $30 to download, while older titles will cost as closer to $10; both available on the same day a DVD is released. CinemaNow's DRM restricts play to just one PC. With Movielink's offering, the film can be copied to DVD and played on one-other computer, but not a standard DVD player.
So let me get this straight....they expect people to pay more and not even be able play it on a standard DVD player?? Walmart sells most new releases here for $20 and older movies for far less. what is so hard about browsing through their DVD selection next time one is there to pick up other things. One may of course substitute target or wherever. I can't see this ever taking off, even if someone doesn't want to leave their house go to amazon and buy the DVD, that way you get more value for your $20.
I think this will be limited to the lack of common sense crowd who have plenty of money and think they are technology leaders in the 21 century.
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Middieman
Eschew Obfuscation
join:2001-02-05
Elkins Park, PA
| CinemaNow and Movielink can be access with Firefly Remote
We're not exactly talking about renting a movie I don't think. However, rentals at under 5 dollars from CinemaNow and Movielink are currently available. My Firefly remote controlled PC happens to be hooked up to a TV, and at least for rentals, the service seems reasonable though I'd like it better if a person was able to watch the movie for longer than 24 hours.
As far as owning a movie for $20+ that I download? If I get all the extra goodies with it that I'd get from the store and can burn a copy to play on my DVD player, that'd work for me. But anything short of that, and I won't feel like I've purchased the movie. It's a rip off if I can only play the movie on my one box before I eventually upgrade/throw it out for a new one.
CinemaNow and Movielink should still look into providing downloadable movies for purchase. But right now, they're a decent option for movie rentals in you've gone through the work to properly tweak a PC to play movies on a TV. (I'm not convinced that the companies can stay in business with the current marketing plan.)
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This'll be an issue I'm afraid. There are already other threads about ISPs kicking people off their services for downloading say... more than 100 gigs per month. Well... an HD movie might take up as much as 50 gigs to download all the content. ...Yeah. I'm pretty sure CinemaNow and Movielink aren't going to be able to make their current plans work. We're just getting into the HD era now, and anything less is behind the times. (Ask Sony about UMD movies that Wallmart will no longer carry. In other words, it's a dead product.)
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KoolMoe
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join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
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Re: Doomed to failure
I tend to agree.
I think the cost is ridiculous and that will be what keeps me away. I also don't like 'playback on one PC'.
But I already have a home-built media center PC hooked up to the widescreen in the family room. I like having DVD rips and home movies on that box. With two kids already, DVDs are constantly scattered about. Time to move away from the hardcopy media.
Let me download a movie for the same price as a rental or, maybe, $10 tops. Let me store it on one server and let me play it back on multiple computers or devices.
I agree being able to burn to DVD would be nice, but I also agree DVD players will fade sooner than later and it's not something I personally really need.
And I don't care about DVD extras. If I did, I'd buy the DVD!
Can't recoup the movie investment from $10 digital movie distribution? Stop paying actors $10 million per movie!
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jebba2005
join:2005-01-13
Portland, ME
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so do they anger the wally worlds and undercut them with cheap downloads? they seem to really be holding on to their old ways. once movies are made legal and affordable to download, the store sales will decrease a lot i imagine.
maybe the hollywood powers should encourage the brick and mortars to set up online dload centers. |
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scrummie02
Bentley
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join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
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Re: Doomed to failure
You don't need to drive to your mall, use amazon/ebay. That's what I would do.
I wouldn't pay into this. Downloading is a great idea, but what if my PC crashes due to HDD failure, then the movies I bought and paid for won't work? Most people I know don't really know what DRM is until they bring their IPod to work, attach it to their work PC and all of their music is gone. Downloading content will never catch on as soon as the less tech savvy realize if their PC crashes their stuff is gone. |
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Brazbit
Randomness Personified
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join:2003-10-22
Port Orchard, WA | A little voice in the back of my head....
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to toddbs98
Re: Doomed to failure
why pay 20-30 bucks for a download when in the time it takes for a download even on 6mbit cable i can drive one mile to walmart or two to Circuit city and buy the DVD for 15 bucks.
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things_suck
join:2006-04-03
Columbus, GA | well, ...
...and so do all the other p2p networks...accept they are FREE! |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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Re: CinemaNow and Movielink can be access with Firefly Remote
HD movies could also flop like laser disc, unless they come out with a reason to buy it(is there really a visible difference from current DVD or is the 50gb just for more extra features) and make dual format players for sub $140 dollar prices.
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