averagedude
join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ | If you can't beat down your customer...
then threaten them for using your product...
They should at least recognize that the market really wants something and turn those lemons to lemonade. The folks who make routers obviously recognize an opportunity, why can't the wireless folks. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by averagedude  :then threaten them for using your product... They should at least recognize that the market really wants something and turn those lemons to lemonade. The folks who make routers obviously recognize an opportunity, why can't the wireless folks. Perhaps you can explain how this is an opportunity for the 3G wireless providers.
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G_Poobah
join:2004-01-17
Schenectady, NY
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Well, lets see now.
There is obviously a market for these kinds of devices, otherwise noone would make them. So part one of a successful business venture exists:
#1: There is a market for it
The technology exists today, and it can be created cheap enough to sell to people.
#2: The product is saleable and profitable
They can make the product BETTER than the 3rd party providers! They could make the cell phone plug in directly. They could build it into a cell phone. They could make an overall better experience for the end user than any 3rd party could.
#3: They could make it better
Oh, wait.. there's a problem. Hmm.. ahh, yes, GREED. See, they won't fill a market need, because they don't have MONOPOLY rights to it anymore! See, as soon as a 3rd party (i.e. competition) exists, they can no longer set down the terms of service. Hmm.. Guess the old school concept of monopoly makes them too stupid to change. The ONLY thing stopping them is they are too dumb and too greedy to change their methods of making money. In this, they share the same monopolistic views as the **AA's.
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
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said by TKJunkMail :said by averagedude :then threaten them for using your product... They should at least recognize that the market really wants something and turn those lemons to lemonade. The folks who make routers obviously recognize an opportunity, why can't the wireless folks. Perhaps you can explain how this is an opportunity for the 3G wireless providers. Exactly...Cellular towers are far more finite than copper networks, especially when it comes to the assignment and division of frequencies.
But, who cares if wireless customer's can't use their phones...I know someone here that will be more than happy to throw out the "greed" card here...Sadly, he will not point it where it needs to go, which is at the consumer.
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | sharing with "your buddy"
can land you in jail what if "your buddy" downloads kidde porn or "your buddy" downloads music or video and the mpaa or riaa come knocking |
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TScheisskopf
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Re: If you can't beat down your customer...
Of course, the opportunities that this will offer for small businesses, such as restaurants, coffee shops, hairdressers and whatnot will be ignored by those who genuflect at the altar of the incumbents.
For the incumbents are wise, in profusion, whereas we are merely one-fodder-units.
Note to corporate lickspittles: If these incumbents were smart, they would embrace this. Verily, they are deploying 3G at a speed closer to that of glacial movement. What this will do is allow Joe Sixpack to sit with Jack Sixpack in a 3G-enabled establishment, when Jack whips out his neat 3G toy and proceeds to swap bits and bytes. Joe gets an immediate sense of turgor in his nether-regions for such k3w3l technology, grows obsessive, and runs out and gets him some of that 3G for hisself.
Think: viral marketing. |
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TScheisskopf
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Re: sharing with "your buddy"
said by odreian615 :can land you in jail what if "your buddy" downloads kidde porn or "your buddy" downloads music or video and the mpaa or riaa come knocking Oh dear. You know that things are desperate when the "kiddie porn" card is hauled out this early in the game.
We must all sever our Internet connections and seal ourselves in our sub-basements because somewhere, there lurks kiddie porn. Complete isolation can be the only solution.
Psst...I hear that someone on the Starship Enterprise used sub-space communications and the ship's computer to access that stuff. Really. No, really. |
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RayW
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| said by TScheisskopf :Oh dear. You know that things are desperate when the "kiddie porn" card is hauled out this early in the game. Actually, that card has already been played out in real life. After a big media blast about how the guy claimed it was maybe his open wireless, the news disappeared. Must have proved he did not do it and thus no dirt on a known person, thus no news to splash on the front page.
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said by TScheisskopf :said by odreian615 :can land you in jail what if "your buddy" downloads kidde porn or "your buddy" downloads music or video and the mpaa or riaa come knocking Oh dear. You know that things are desperate when the "kiddie porn" card is hauled out this early in the game. We must all sever our Internet connections and seal ourselves in our sub-basements because somewhere, there lurks kiddie porn. Complete isolation can be the only solution. Psst...I hear that someone on the Starship Enterprise used sub-space communications and the ship's computer to access that stuff. Really. No, really. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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rbhrulez
join:2005-10-19
Ogden, UT
| Definite Business Opportunity
I think the 3G Providers should see this for what it is. And that is a REALLY good business opportunity. Take as an example a recent business that I was dealing with. Trying to get high speed internet access for them was a joke. BUT yet my HSDPA Cingular connection worked great. Had I known at the time that these routers where available I would have highly recommended that this business use the Cingular service instead of the other wireless internet provider I switched them to. Not only that but I would also recommend this as a backup link for a business as well. So until the carriers see this for what it is then I'll just have to continue to recommend other solutions. |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs: | Although not exactly on topic
Xmission does not (at least last year) care if you share your connection. However! there is a 100 gigabytes/month meter Monday - Friday, from 7 a.m. to midnight.
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oliphant
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
| Then they shouldn't advertise the service as unlimited...
Verizon should stop defrauding their customers selling them a service they aren't willing to offer.
If they want to put limits on the use of the service, they should have to disclose EXACTLY what those useage monthly limits are.
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oliphant
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Re: Although not exactly on topic
That is the way they should do it. If there are limits on the service, state what the limits are but as to what the customer does within those limits shouldn't matter.
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TKJunkMail
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Re: If you can't beat down your customer...
said by TScheisskopf :If these incumbents were smart, they would embrace this. What this will do is allow Joe Sixpack to sit with Jack Sixpack in a 3G-enabled establishment, when Jack whips out his neat 3G toy and proceeds to swap bits and bytes. Joe gets an immediate sense of turgor in his nether-regions for such k3w3l technology, grows obsessive, and runs out and gets him some of that 3G for hisself. Think: viral marketing. An intelligent reply, unlike some of the above. Your scenario is certainly a possibility and one that the 3G providers should consider.
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ru4rl
join:2003-12-28
Durham, NC
| This stuff is great...
These kind of products do serve a legit purpose. There are still people all over the world that can get cell service near their house, but no cable/dsl or any other form of high speed internet. Recently my mother moved to a small town outside of Chapel Hill, NC and Time Warner refuses to run Cable out there (she offered to pay a resonable amount to have them extend the line) and BellSouth does not think it is fesible enough to add a CO or RT out there. I don't much blame them there. Of course there is always Satellite internet but you can't play WoW on that, yes she plays WoW. As luck would have it her cell provider, Alltel, has an EVDO equiped tower about 4 miles from her and she was able to get internet access through the EVDO network. I want to get one of these for her since she has a desktop and a laptop but I'll wait until the prices come down a bit. Just my $0.02 |
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bokamba
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join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA | How do they tell?
How can the ISPs tell if you are sharing your connection, other than if you take up more bandwidth than average? I'm sure flyovers aren't a common tactic. |
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id_deleted
join:2003-05-01
Salt Lake City, UT
1 edit | This idea is a bit ole news, at least to us. :)
We have been offering hardware that accepts a 3G card and serves its 3G internet connection over WiFi for quite a while. The question is why stop there, if you are going to the trouble of installing a box in your vehicle, you may as well have the box do everything you could ever imagine short of driving the car for you (were working on that one).. It's what we call our vehicle network server, the VN1. |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26
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Re: If you can't beat down your customer...
As far as cell towers go: Seeing as most of them that I see are veritible trees of antennas (sometimes as many as 6 one above another), it would seem to me that there is plenty of bandwidth available. All they have to do is cooperate with each other. And, lets not forget all the fees, and charges for each little "feature" you add on, like text messaging, etc.
But then, since deployment is glacial, I'd have to think it's because they are caught in that same constant "upgrade" trap that computer buyers and corporations used to be in with computers. You remember, the constant small speed increments? What ever happened to all that anyway? The chip makers like Intel just simply couldn't keep delivering for the gravy train? Or, did the corporations finally say screw you? Or, maybe all the above?
Thanks, but no thanks. I'll pass on 3G for now, as well as texting and downloading files on my cellphone, and dumb video clips and polyphonic ring tones and...you get the picture, I'm sure. |
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| said by Fatal Vector :As far as cell towers go: Seeing as most of them that I see are veritible trees of antennas (sometimes as many as 6 one above another), it would seem to me that there is plenty of bandwidth available. All they have to do is cooperate with each other. Good point, however, each of those towers, or panels, belong to different companies and also carry different technology. One "cluster" generally has several carriers on it, with formats from GSM, TDMA, CDMA, PCS, and AMPS.
Even if the carriers "shared" resources, it does not mean that each of the towers are set up for 3G, or can even communicate with the other carrier's phones.
If we ever see the world of wireless narrow down to one format (and probably will one day), then sharing of resources will probably happen much like the major telecom companies share their transport network. Right now, however, it really is not a viable option.
And I understand on passing up 3G. I have been burned plenty of times in the past with technology that was "hip" for a few years, and then it dies...Anyone remember the Wireless Palm VII? It's been useless now for a while, so I only got a short life-span out of a $450 piece of equipment. 
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