ptrowski
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Putnam, CT
clubs:
 ·VOIPo
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| Business is business....
These two companies are out to make a profit, and have a huge opportunity for themselves, like it or not. And hey, it's China, not the most liberal country out there. 
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | It is their Country
This is a China call, what they want to do with their phone system is their business |
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RadioDoc
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·AT&T Midwest
1 edit | Raid your business model?
"If you have something in your network that is costing you money and raiding your business model, I assure you you're going to do something about it."
Translation: How DARE those customers raid our business model by using the service we advertise!
This ain't just the Chinese we're talking about...
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jjoshua
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Scotch Plains, NJ | Look to American companies for help...
»Congrats to two fine American Companies |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | American broadband sucks?
Attach this along with the censorship articles to the next American broadband sucks article.
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toddbs98
join:2000-07-08
North Little Rock, AR
clubs: | Shangai Telecom sounds a lot like AT&T and Comcast. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
| Chinese business is simple
Think of it all as a racket. Every business is connected to the gov't by the hand they grease. If you offend a company that greases a powerful hand then you're shut down. No protest... no appeal... nothing. Your only recourse is to grease that same hand more. If you can't... you lose. |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA | reply to ptrowski
Re: Business is business....
Liberalism is not something one finds in a Communist country. |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | reply to ptrowski
said by This Article :
Shanghai Telecom to bring the "highest-quality VoIP experience to its customers."
sounds like the same ol jibberish american companies dispense |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | reply to bogey780
Re: Chinese business is simple
we have rackets also just not as centralized as China's ours is called lobbies |
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stonecolddsl
Linux Junkie
join:2004-01-07
Sarasota, FL
·Rapid Systems, Inc.
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Verizon Online DSL
| vpn might be the solution
I wonder when the Voip providers will start using vpn connections from there ATA terminals to there servers. It would make it near impossible to say what is being transmited in that tunnel. They can guess based on where the trafic is going and with Ciscos deep apacket analyst it supposed to even figure out the type of traffic. it would be a pain in the arse for ISP to try and block traffice that they cant read because it encrypted and probably the only option voip providers have. |
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blacksurfer
join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA | reply to ptrowski
Would encryption work?
Would encrypted the voip bandwidth, similar to what's being done to bittorent bandwidth, bypass the blocking? But then again, I think Skype is already encrypted, but Verson still are able to block Skype. |
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LOLROTFL
@pldt.net | reply to GhostDoggy
Re: Business is business....
Oh yeah.. And whats ironic is the so called "Communist" country is going to overtake United States Of America both in economic and military power and will soon be the new super power country in the world in who knows? 5 years? 10 years?... Tsk... |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON
| reply to oliphant
Re: American broadband sucks?
The problem is that a censorship driven, communist country that blocks technology in order to allow government controlled telecoms to flourish is still beating the US a Democratic, "free" that doesn't censor and supports capitalism.
Something is inherently wrong with that. |
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N3OGH
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| said by Shark_615  :The problem is that a censorship driven, communist country that blocks technology in order to allow government controlled telecoms to flourish is still beating the US a Democratic, "free" that doesn't censor and supports capitalism. Something is inherently wrong with that. No doubt China is hot right now, but it won't last forever.
One of the reasons China is flourishing, is it is still an emerging country. Environmental laws are weak, wages are low, and when it benefits the state, restrictions on manufacturers are light. Don't be surprised if in the next 10 years, the bubble in China bursts like in Japan.
China's biggest problem is they can not feed and house their exponentially growing population. Arable land is being gobbled up at a rate that makes the housing boom here in the US look like, well, I can't think of an analogy.
The day will come when China can't feed their people anymore, and guess what country has the most productive farm land in the world? Yep, the US.
I do predict grain and foodstuffs will be the essential commodity of the 21st century, with the US taking the lead in feeding the world's population.
MAN, did I just go off topic or WHAT?!?!?!
Sorry about that..... |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to odreian615
Re: Chinese business is simple
Yea, but our guys have laws and stuff they need to get through. There's legal recourses, judicial challenges. In China it's more like a mob syndicate. |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON
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Re: American broadband sucks?
China IS the Worlds largest producer of Wheat, then India and then the US.
China is mostly self sufficient in rice production with few imports.
The US is not self sufficient in any food stuffs it also has to import water from Canada.
China is also the Worlds largest producer of grains.
China's population is going DOWN.
China is thousands of years old.
I think you need to do some more research you are way off in many things. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| It is true China produces the most wheat but there is a caveat to this, read on:
»www.capitalpress.info/main.asp?S···37744.14 |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
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said by Shark_615 :The problem is that a censorship driven, communist country that blocks technology in order to allow government controlled telecoms to flourish is still beating the US a Democratic, "free" that doesn't censor and supports capitalism. The flip side of this is that China's economy is entirely dependant on consumption of its exports to the USA. If people in this country ever tire of cheaply made, low quality Chinese products... then China is going to have some very serious problems.
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | reply to Transmaster
That is true, which is why I mentioned the fact that China is all but capable of supporting itself with its rice.
The US would not be able to produce enough wheat for China let alone the rest of the world. |
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