pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD |  Cue the "America Sucks" Rants!
You know they are coming!
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Dr Demento
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join:2002-01-02
Denville, NJ
3 edits | I wonder if "from sea to shining sea" will ever ever truely sync into some people's minds as well as the definition of state legislature? Even though I admit incumbent short-term thinking mega ISPs don't help either.
Hey I got a cool quote for a random fortune.
said by Joseph E. Levine :
You can fool all the people all of the time if the advertising is right
and the budget is big enough.
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | reply to pnh102
It isn't that America sucks it is that America should know and should be doing better. There is no excuse for the crappiness of broadband in America. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| how 'bout busting a myth rant?
every damn time one of these sets of statistics comes out, it is guaranteed that some moron will post "the U.S. is so big and people are spread out, that's why more people don't have broadband".
Well, if you go to that web page and scroll down to the data set for "OECD broadband penetration and population densities", the following info is in there:
pop density/penetration
U.S.: 31/16.8
Iceland: 3.0/26.7
Finland: 15/22.5
Norway: 14/21.9
Canada: 3.0/21.0
Sweden: 20/20.3
Two of those countries ahead of us have pop densities less than 1/10 of the U.S. It can be done, but with the gutless congress we have, snug in the pockets of the telecom industry, it won't be done. I don't want to hear "the U.S. is so big" crap on this forum.
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oliphant
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Corona, CA
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Re: Cue the "America Sucks" Rants!
Better in what? We already have twice the subs as anyone else. Hell, Comcast alone has more BB subscribers than most of these other nations. If you want to talk about us having larger populations I can counter with us having even more dial up subscribers and the fact that most people don't have a "need" for broadband and broadband subscribers isn't synonymous with internet subscribers.
By any measure we're doing just fine. Broadband isn't the end all be all measure of anything and just because people don't WANT it doesn't mean anything bad.
All these statistics show is Americans have alternative sources for information whether it's 50 zillion non-state TV channels, 50 zillion non-state run newspapers or even dial up over our extremely cheap and universally available POTS services. Same thing as the US sucks at cellular article of a few days ago...people here simply aren't interested, not that they can't get it.
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GlenQuagmire
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Grand Rapids, MI | Lot of Snow
I guess in Finland where there is snow on the ground most of the year you have nothing better to do than use the Internet or f$@% but I guess that what Internet pr0n on for.  |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA
1 edit | reply to nasadude
Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant?
Who cares about "broadband"? These statistics don't include dial up subs (as the vast majority don't have a "need" for BB). Additionally these statistics only reflect the fact that Americans have FAR MORE sources of information and entertainment and don't have to rely on "broadband" for it as is the case in many nations with mostly state run media.
It's not that Americans CAN'T get it...we simply don't WANT it.
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Estragon
join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH | reply to nasadude
Ah, but the US is the world leader in making excuses.  |
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
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quote:
Two of those countries ahead of us have pop densities less than 1/10 of the U.S.
I don't want to hear "the U.S. is so big" crap on this forum.
It's much easier to deal with the "last mile" when your last mile doesn't range in the millions and millions.
Then again, what do you know about broadband deployment?
"The U.S. is so big and spread out". There. I know that will make your day.
Get over it and grow up. Either that or get out there and deploy without going deep into the red, since you're /obviously/ the expert here and have *all* the answers. |
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
| reply to GlenQuagmire
Re: Lot of Snow
"Finn" is sometimes used as an adjective (or verb even) in older online circles to describe someone with 'ancient' seniority online.
Finland's gov't pushed online access long before most other places. They had a pretty good head start, in many respects. |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | reply to Primis1
Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant?
Sorry but Canada is bigger and more spread out then the US. Yes a lot of the population may be in the cities but that can be said for the US as well. |
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| ah, the talking heads unite
funny how there's only two camps on these (and many other) issues. there's "america sucks" versus "free market=jesus/manna from heaven". both sides have there own logic and charts and stats and bibles and whatnot to defend their position and defile the other side's position.
here's a thought: American broadband penetration is only as good as it's being reported, and by whom. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: how 'bout busting a myth rant?
said by Shark_615  :Sorry but Canada is bigger and more spread out then the US. Yes a lot of the population may be in the cities but that can be said for the US as well. Most of Canada's population also lives very close to the US Border. Having a lot of people concentrated in a small area makes it easy to deploy broadband.
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | Using your logic the states should have no problem. The majority of the US population is located in or around major urban centres.
Besides there are many towns and cities that are not along the border of the US that have connectivity. |
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oliphant
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Corona, CA
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Again...none of these statistics are about AVAILABILITY...only who bothered to sign up for a particular class of internet service which doesn't mean anything.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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said by Shark_615 :Using your logic the states should have no problem. The majority of the US population is located in or around major urban centres. And most of those places have broadband.
said by Shark_615 :Besides there are many towns and cities that are not along the border of the US that have connectivity. And I am sure there are some other places in bumblehick which don't.
The bottom line is that anyone in the USA who lives near civilization has at least one broadband option. The situation isn't as dire as the article makes it out to be.
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oliphant
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Corona, CA | reply to Shark_615
What do these statistics say about availability? NOTHING. Just because people don't WANT it doesn't mean they can't GET it.
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wolfhouse
join:2001-03-01
Union City, NJ
| said by oliphant :What do these statistics say about availability? NOTHING. Just because people don't WANT it doesn't mean they can't GET it. This is true, but this might also be a reflection of the quality/price of the broadband. I think THIS is definitely an issue with broadband in the US right now. It is not that fast, and it is often more expensive than what you would get in other countries. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to Primis1
said by Primis1 :Get over it and grow up. Either that or get out there and deploy without going deep into the red, since you're /obviously/ the expert here and have *all* the answers. I will bow to your superior knowledge and intellect as soon as you explain to me why New York, Los Angeles, or any number of big, DENSE cities in the U.S. don't have broadband on par with the leaders in the world.
The fact of the matter is the U.S. is hampered by the monopoly conditions that the government has allowed to develop in this industry. There is no effective, widespread competition in this country and there won't be on the wired side unless the government steps up. Consumers only hope in the near future is muni-fiber/wireless and wireless in general that can bridge the monoploy controlled last mile.
Unless and until something happens to promote REAL competition, the U.S. will not be among the leaders in the world in this area.
In another year or so, China will have more total broadband subscribers than the U.S. and we will lose the lead in the one area where we have it. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
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Re: ah, the talking heads unite
said by garagerock :... here's a thought: American broadband penetration is only as good as it's being reported, and by whom. here's another thought: maybe American broadband is WORSE than it's being reported.
this is certainly the case with the FCC - they still define broadband as anything above 200K symmetrical. That means a 768k/128k DSL package isn't even broadband. Hell, my comcast 4M/384k package wouldn't even be considered broadband by an international definition (at least 1M symmetrical or higher). |
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