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Comments on news posted 2006-05-08 18:20:49: The General Accounting Office has issued a report (pdf) on broadband deployment in the United States, that criticizes the FCC's determination of just how wired America is - and recommends improvements. ..

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TKJunkMail
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 FCC has access to dozens of independent studies

For whatever legal reasons the FCC is using the 1 person in a zip code as broadband standard, they also have access to dozens of other studies showing real broadband penetration. To say they have bad data to make decisions is wrong. They have all the data they need. They choose to follow the 1/zip info because it is probably backed by some regulations and protects their ass in court challenges.
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someone spoke up on how ridiculous that report was


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Re: FCC has access to dozens of independent studies

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they also have access to dozens of other studies
Other than the OECD rankings, which I'd assume you'd lament as wildly inaccurate because they show us ranked twelfth in penetration, which independent rural broadband studies would those be? Dozens? Can you actually list "dozens" of studies that specifically study rural coverage gaps? Many independent studies rely in turn on the FCC data. Many others are based on inflated and unconfirmed incumbent data, intentionally buoyed to support deregulatory positions.

Groups like Leichtman?
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Leichtman Research Group, Inc. (LRG) bases its findings off of nationwide consumer research studies conducted via telephone (to represent a representative cross-section of all US households). This data is also analyzed in conjunction with our database of provider-side research, as well as other sources - including the FCC.
Nobody is actually going into rural America and confirming anything.


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Re: About time

I'll second that. I've heard that the one person per zip crap was what the FCC used for years, through the grapevine, but never really saw it in print. Knowing the FCC, that one person per zip probably means that even if one rich person who can afford a T1 or better, that it counts. I live in a very rural area, and I believe that neither ISPs nor the government care about the average man and woman here. My ISP, Alltel(about to officially be known as Windstream) have taken years to deploy ADSL in my area, and there is still a large hole, along a US Highway, where there are at least a few hundred prospective customers and businesses. All because some corporate jackass(es) who don't want to invest a few thousand dollars, that would be made back in less than six months. And it's not just Alltel either, about 15 miles away, in North Carolina, Verizon could care less about the people in the sticks too. A guy I know is stuck with 22k dial-up, in a place where the ground pedestals look like they were installed in the 60's, in ex-GTE territory, where VZ doesn't care. He has called requesting DSL a few times, and they told him that they have no plans at all for DSL in that area! It's not the most populated or wealthy area, that's a given, but there are enough people who would use DSL to make it worthwhile. Nothing but cheapskates and polichickens running the show... And the US may have the highest number of people with broadband in the world, but it's sure not the highest percent of people served!!
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Re: FCC has access to dozens of independent studies

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

For whatever legal reasons the FCC is using the 1 person in a zip code as broadband standard, they also have access to dozens of other studies showing real broadband penetration. To say they have bad data to make decisions is wrong. They have all the data they need. They choose to follow the 1/zip info because it is probably backed by some regulations and protects their ass in court challenges.
List, please.
Without backing up your claims we have to think once again it's your well-known ties to the cable industry that makes you post these unproven claims.

AHomeBoy2000

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WiMax for All- Ok, for Some!

I've been saying this for a while now. If you live in a nice neighborhood or municipality, the odds are you can get SOME form of broadband (cabel or DSL). But a LARGE population of the US lives in small towns and rural areas. THe US and Telco/Cable need to get off their butts and make WiMax possible. I understand a company not wanting to invest tousands of dollars to run cabels to 4 houses per square mile. A single Wi-Max antena on a cell tower could serve tham all, and cheaply too!


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 FCC Martin: FOS As Usual

Kevin Martin is full of shit and everyone who isn't a corporate stooge for the Bu$h junta knows it. In the matter of 38 Million Broadband Users in the U.S. fairy tale, Teletruth filed a Data Quality Act Complaint against the FCC's statistics, claiming that the FCC is politically driven to inflate the number of broadband connections in the United States, as well as presenting a distorted picture of broadband in the US.

It was all covered here July 2005:
»www.newnetworks.com/TeletruthBro···rtin.htm
when Martin was trumpeting his deregulation of broadband is good mantra and people on this very same forum were telling him he was every bit as full of shit then as he is now.
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Re: FCC has access to dozens of independent studies

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

They choose to follow the 1/zip info because it is probably backed by some regulations and protects their ass in court challenges.
They choose to use this one because it is the most optimistic.

Under the 1996 Telecomm Act, if the FCC were to find that broadband deployment is not progressing well, that finding would trigger requirements for all sorts of action, regulatory actions that the present FCC is loathe to undertake. So they are damn careful to use a metric to make things look as rosy as possible.

It is highly inaccurate, though. In the zip code I live in, only the town center, near the telco CO and the Cable trunk from the next town over, are supplied with broadband. But the vast majority of the Zip code is unserved. By the FCC metric, however, the whole zipcode is counted as served.


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Definitions please.

"well on our way to accomplishing the president's goal of universal, affordable access to broadband by 2007"

Define "broadband".
Define "affordable".
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well isn't that strange

how surprising to see an agency headed by an appointee of the current Bush administration caught lying to support corporate interests. I'm shocked they would manipulate the American public.


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Re: Definitions please.

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"well on our way to accomplishing the president's goal of universal, affordable access to broadband by 2007"

Define "broadband".
Define "affordable".
You define it.....

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said by hobgoblin See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

"well on our way to accomplishing the president's goal of universal, affordable access to broadband by 2007"

Define "broadband".
Define "affordable".
You define it.....

Hob
I'm not the one making claims...

Broadband - should be 2mbps symetrical minimum.

Affordable - $20.00 ~ $30.00?

How would you define them?
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said by dadkins See Profile :

"well on our way to accomplishing the president's goal of universal, affordable access to broadband by 2007"

Define "broadband".
Define "affordable".
You define it.....

Hob
I'm not the one making claims...

Broadband - should be 2mbps symmetrical minimum.

Affordable - $20.00 ~ $30.00?

How would you define them?
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 As Long As We're On the Subject of the FCC

Reach and touch the FCC on the subject of debt collection agencies calling your cell phone with auto-dialers...

ALERT: Tell the FCC to Stop Debt Collectors from Calling
Your Cell Phone
Note: Deadline is May 11

Debt collectors want permission to call your cell phone.
They want to use autodialers in order to reach as many
numbers as possible.

Unfortunately, being debt free may not help you avoid
these calls. Autodialers allow debt collectors to call
so many numbers that the accuracy of the phone number is
not assured. The person who had your phone number in the
past may be in debt, but you may get the call. Or the
collector might be calling the wrong John Smith. Another
possibility is that you, the victim of identity theft,
might be hounded by a debt collector calling your cell phone.

The law currently protects consumers from such calls to cell
phones, but the debt collectors want that to change. The
Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) and Federal
Communications Commission (FCC) Rules say automatic dialing
systems cannot be used to call your cell phone, pager, or
other device when you are charged for the call. The only
exception is for emergencies or calls you approve in advance.

Debt collectors and their trade association, ACA International, are now asking the FCC to say that the law does not apply to them. ACA has filed a petition asking the FCC to allow autodialed collection calls to cellular phones.

ACA has over 5,800 member collection companies and hundreds of debt collectors have filed comments in favor of autodialing. Some consumers have commented as well, but the FCC has not heard from nearly enough consumers.

To read the ACA's Petition, go to:
»privacyupdate.c.topica.com/maaeM···b7GqXtb/

To read a sampling of what debt collectors say and comments
from other consumers, go to:
»gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/comsrch_v2.cgi and put
in “02-278” under “Proceeding.”

We think autodialers should not be used to call cell phones. First of all, the law doesn’t allow it. Second, you are charged for incoming cell phone calls. Collection calls also result in many consumer complaints about abusive language, calls at odd hours, calls to employers and others.

The federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act prohibits abusive collector calls, but still many people experience these problems. For more on debt collection, see PRC Fact Sheet 27: Debt Collection Practices: When Hardball Tactics Go Too Far, »www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs27-debtcoll.htm

Debt collectors do not currently bother to ensure that the person they are calling is truly the debtor, and there is no evidence that they will be more cautious when calling cell phones. This disregard for accuracy is unacceptable when you must pay for every minute of cell phone use. Don'tlet the debt collectors bully the FCC into saying debt collectors are above the law.

If you want to voice your opinion or tell the FCC about an
experience you've had, you can easily file an electronic comment. »gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi
Be sure to include the Proceedings Number 02-278. Enter your name or the word "consumer" in box 3 "Name of Applicant/Petitioner." Comments are public record, so if you do not want your name in a public filing, use the word "consumer."

Your comment does not have to be long. At the bottom of
the electronic comment web page, you will find a place to file a brief comment.

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Re: WiMax for All- Ok, for Some!

You obviously haven't read up on wireless. Wimax is nothing but hopes and dreams and nothing factual, just like powerline broadband. You can't change the fundamentals of wireless.. After all can You imagine Any cell phone tower that serves a whole town?
Wireless can only do so much, 802.11B/G AP's can only do a max of 50 clients or so. Canopy systems can handle as many as 100 clients. Canopy systems start at about 20 grand..
Plus
$6000 tower, securing tower locations by buying/leasing land
Securing a backbone internet provider

Another thing is that EACH of those clients are going to have to have a equipment at their end.. and that's NOT a wireless NIC from wal-mart..
Besides all this, only 2.4/5.8GHz and 900Mhz are non licenced frequencies.. this means that something as simple as a cordless phone can cause enough noise to disrupt equipment in the area.

To make wireless Appealing to entrepreneurs the FCC needs to have a dedicated, licenced frequency to specialty WISP's so that they can work without noise. And with a training program, and even better some sort of grant to start them off.

Wireless is NOT a cheap way of doing things, which is what they ARE looking for.. nothing will beat a landline fiber optic system
Either the FCC needs to establish a company to provide BB to rual areas and have it funded by something such as local taxes, or Force telco's to wire them.
All and all this is a huge mess that's gone to shit creek
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Re: well isn't that strange

Right... like no other politicians do this in any other administration you narrow sighted assclown.


rit56

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I see you graduated 4th grade... good job,,


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Re: FCC has access to dozens of independent studies

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They choose to follow the 1/zip info because it is probably backed by some regulations and protects their ass in court challenges
Once again, can you cite one fact?

So, in your fairytale universe, where the free market has solved every world calamity, everyone probably has 100/100 MBPS connections, and everyone probably pays less than $30 per month, and probably has no long term commitment, or probably no fee to cancel, and they probably have no caps and an SLA.

And in other news, this obvious shill probably gets paid by the keystroke to invent this fairytale universe.

GhostDoggy

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Who cares?

If you live in an area where the technology isn't to be had and there are few around you then maybe you should move.

If you live in an area where the technology isn't to be had and there are many around you then maybe you should look at this as an opportunity to deploy technology yourself.

Sometimes its hard for a mountain to move in the direction you want it to.

frnkblk0

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How do we measure, then?

I agree that the one sub/ZIP is not a very good measurement, but I'm challenged to come up with a way that cable, telco, and wireless providers can send data back in a meaningful way to the FCC for processing.

If only the ILECs had to respond they could estimate the number of homes passed where they could provide broadband, and since ILECs have non-overlapping territory it's pretty easy to obtain an accurate picture. But what about when you add wireless and cable over top, how do you remove the duplicating coverage areas? Perhaps it will require some kind of GIS or sampling.

Frank
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