Swingerhead
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join:2004-04-06
Richmond, VA
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
| Not going to be on the "internet"
All of the TV data is going to be on the local network of the internet provider. Meaning if you have Verizon Fiber, you have Verizon TV. I highly doubt that anyone is going to be able to convince their investors that they can provide the QOS to provide HD over the internet. |
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SSX4life
Premium
join:2004-02-13
·RoadRunner Cable
| wow.... idiots!
"and beefing up the Internet's capacity to prevent that will be expensive."
You are in the buisness of providing data as fast as possible next to your competitor, stop bitching about costs and go the extra mile for the customer. You will only benifit yourself (your pocketbook) if you refuse to upgrade which is standard and expected!  |
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Jonbo298
join:2004-01-12
Council Bluffs, IA | They should take a page from Japan and Korea on how they do their inanely quick internet speeds and keep up with demand  |
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maracaibo
join:2003-03-20 | HD Video Could 'Choke the Internet'
They used to say that in the early 90's when the first .gif files started to appear |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
Premium
join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA | For sure...
...we know how accurate the AP was with the Katrina reporting so this must be true as well. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to maracaibo
Re: HD Video Could 'Choke the Internet'
said by maracaibo  :They used to say that in the early 90's when the first .gif files started to appear Its all relative. In the early 90's, 14.4k and 28.8k dial up modems were the standard in computers and .gif files were actually somewhat large back then. |
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sapo
I eat meat
Premium
join:2002-09-16
Sacramento, CA | Blehh
If ISPs wont upgrade their system for my needs then I want to pay only half of what I pay now.
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Thaler
Premium
join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to Cod
Re: HD Video Could 'Choke the Internet'
said by Cod :said by maracaibo :They used to say that in the early 90's when the first .gif files started to appear Its all relative. In the early 90's, 14.4k and 28.8k dial up modems were the standard in computers and .gif files were actually somewhat large back then. Which just proved...good porn is worth the wait. 
I couldn't tell if that era was more about technological innovation, or a social experiment testing users' patience. |
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petecellar
join:2002-10-15
Philadelphia, PA | Waa, we may actually have to provide what we bill for!
Who can trust either? The AP, or ISPs?
Meanwhile, at least this AP article has a name attached to it. |
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
Premium
join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA | 2 Tier Internet
Thus, the debate for the 2 Tiered Internet, Video is a loss sensitive service, and if you want QoS over the Internet... |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| said by Mizzat :Thus, the debate for the 2 Tiered Internet, Video is a loss sensitive service, and if you want QoS over the Internet... Show me a congested OC3 and I'll buy that QoS is needed.
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
1 edit | said by DaSneaky1D :Show me a congested OC3 and I'll buy that QoS is needed. You do realize that an OC3 is only 155Mbps right? That's enough bandwidth for roughly 10-20 simultaneous IPTV streams. You'll want QoS if you are an IPTV subscriber and your getting dropped frames and freezing pictures because all your 1's & 0's aren't getting to you in time or are congested. |
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33591094
join:2002-11-19
Canada | reply to Jonbo298
Re: wow.... idiots!
What? Shrink the large countries down to their size? |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to Cod
Re: 2 Tier Internet
Well with the IPTV there will be a converion to a higher SONET system but the point you're making still stands. A system can be congested if there's enough traffic across it. Even more so with time sensitive high volume. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to Cod
I'm quite aware of the bandwidth an OC3 has. But to impose a two tier network structure just to appease IPTV users is not the way to go.
In order for QoS to work effectively, either arbitrary limits will need to be set, or a congested link will need to be present. If a link is not congested, then the only way to prioritize traffic is to queue "undesirable" traffic by imposing artificial limits.
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to 33591094
Re: wow.... idiots!
said by 33591094 :What? Shrink the large countries down to their size? It's not a size issue. It's a business mentality. Asian business models plan for the future, not the immediate return investment.
If New York City operated in that manner, then we'll see PR's like this about them...
»newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2006/pro···=ILC-001
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: 2 Tier Internet
said by DaSneaky1D :I'm quite aware of the bandwidth an OC3 has. But to impose a two tier network structure just to appease IPTV users is not the way to go. In order for QoS to work effectively, either arbitrary limits will need to be set, or a congested link will need to be present. If a link is not congested, then the only way to prioritize traffic is to queue "undesirable" traffic by imposing artificial limits. I'm not advocating a two tiered platform at all but I do think some sort of QoS needs to be implemented in some fashion to provide an uninterrupted TV stream. |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: wow.... idiots!
Ahhh pardon me Mister DaSneaky..... New York City currently is fiscally very healthy with a budget surplus..... this city is run very well considering it's size and population. if you mean private corporations that are headquartered here then that's another thing totally independent of New York.... |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to DaSneaky1D
Japanese and Korean lawmakers are more agreeable when it comes to telecom laws. If you told Bell they didn't have to worry about being penalized for any network outlay then you'd see more outlays. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | reply to rit56
I meant the population density of NYC compared to Asian countries, not the city itself.
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