Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Nebraska
I'm sure they'll get right on that.... |
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TigerNutz
Laissez les bons temps rouler
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join:2000-12-23
Little Rock, AR | Arkansas
I live in Arkansas (not by choice!).
I don't blame AT&T for poor penetration here. Why expand when most of the people here don't even own a computer! |
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rob_in_chatt
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join:2004-09-17
Chattanooga, TN | dsl
dsl sux anyway. why waste time using it? cable is far batter. |
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bokamba
Chengdu Rocks
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join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA | Not a surprise...
With the possible exception of Nebraska (I don't know too much about it), those states are relatively rural and poor. It's not surprising the DSL penetration is low. Too expensive to deploy and people can't afford it anyway. |
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wdoa
join:2001-10-16
Spencer, MA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to rob_in_chatt
Re: dsl
said by rob_in_chatt  :dsl sux anyway. why waste time using it? cable is far batter. Depends where you are. At my home in Massachusetts I can choose between Charter HSI and pay $42 a month for 3MB/256 service, or pay $32 month to Verizon for 3BM/768 service. How in this situation would DSL suck? |
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sonnybadbutt
join:2001-05-11
Elizabethtown, KY
| reply to rob_in_chatt
said by rob_in_chatt :dsl sux anyway. why waste time using it? cable is far batter. What comment does this have to do with DSL penetration? Fact is in most of Kentucky if DSL is not there neither is cable. So show the relativity of your comment. |
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asdfdfdf
@xtraport.net
| This is important data...
Dave burstein doesn't pull numbers out of his ass, his data has a reputation for being very sound.
Coverage is not as extensive as many believed. Even more importantly it states that coverage expansion has been stalled for quite some time. What money the telcos are spending does not appear to be going, to any extent, toward further broadening coverage.
This contradicts the trickle down theory and should cause us to reconsider whether we can continue, indefinitely, to simply wait for the market to bring about universal service. It looks as if the divide that remains will be long term. |
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93254336
Weapons Of Masturbation
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join:2001-10-20
| I'm surprised that the percentages are that high...
...since many States have large rural areas where the "local" CO is way beyond the reach of DSL for subscribers.
Even in NJ, which many consider an "urban area" (although much of it is quite the opposite, especially in the northwest and southern areas of the State), this is a problem. In my neighborhood, most houses don't qualify for Verizon DSL service due to loop length issues. Obviously, one solution is to deploy RTs, but that's expensive, especially now with a more "definitive" solution (i.e. FIOS) looming on the horizon.
Unfortunately the rural areas that would benefit most from RTs or FTTH will most likely be the last ones to get it, since the return on investment isn't really there.
- Dan
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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1 edit | said by 93254336 :Even in NJ, which many consider an "urban area" (although much of it is quite the opposite, especially in the northwest and southern areas of the State), this is a problem. NJ is near or at the top in the nation for both cable and DSL. But like you say, even NJ has some areas with problems.
»www.dslprime.com/a/FCCbroadband2005.xls Table 14
New Jersey
xDSL Availability Where ILECs
Offer Local Telephone Service
87%
Cable Modem Availability Where
Cable Systems Offer Cable TV Service
97%
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | reply to Minister
Re: Nebraska
The cable co's walk all over Qwest here, Cox has offered phone service for almost 7 years now.
Those stats are not a big shocker, you will never see 80% saturation unless Qwest is willing to run a DSLAM for each customer in the ag areas. |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
·Armstrong Zoom In..
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Minister
They are so cheap. Goodness forbid they offer DSL to all areas. Oh well, you're rural, you're not entitled to DSL like someone right by the central office. Instead of dropping the prices further let's expand the service  .
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | reply to rob_in_chatt
Re: dsl
Are you basing that opinion on the experience you had from provider which offered you DSL? Or was that just pure flame-bait? |
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Pictor Guy
join:2004-06-21
Sammamish, WA | FCC Numbers flawed?
Aren't the FCC numbers flawed anyway? I thought numbers were really much lower and the FCC considered an area served by DSL if one person in the zip code had access to it. |
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OCP
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join:2004-10-11
USA | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: I'm surprised that the percentages are that high...
It's very funny to me that Alaska has more DSL than Arizona. Nice link Tkjunkmail. I don't know how accurate those numbers are, but it wouldn't surprise me. |
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93254336
Weapons Of Masturbation
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join:2001-10-20
| reply to TKJunkMail
Also note that just because ILECs "offer" DSL service doesn't mean that everyone served by those COs will qualify for DSL service.
Case in point: my local CO is located a town away, so virtually everyone in my area has loop lengths of well over 18K+ feet.
Does my local CO offer DSL? Absolutely. Can all subscribers get it? Nope.
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razzorr
join:2002-01-31
Fort Smith, AR
·Cox HSI
| reply to TigerNutz
Re: Arkansas
I live in Fort Smith, Arkansas. We have DSL but you can not get it in all of the city. No RT's any ware. Forget about 6M you will always be out of range. COX cable is the thing to have here if you need speed.
Funny note Lavaca a small town has Fiber also note they are not AT&T like the rest of the state. |
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TigerNutz
Laissez les bons temps rouler
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join:2000-12-23
Little Rock, AR | reply to rob_in_chatt
Re: dsl
please don't feed the troll |
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herdfan
Premium
join:2003-01-25
Hurricane, WV
| reply to bokamba
Re: Not a surprise...
said by bokamba :those states are relatively rural and poor.....Too expensive to deploy and people can't afford it anyway. While I agree with your first statement, the second bears no relativity to the first. Back before DBS, almost every trailer in WV had a large satellite dish. Just becasue people are poor doesn't mean they won't spend what they have on entertainment. So before they get their teeth fixed, they buy beer, cigarettes and pay for satellite. They will pay the satellite bill before the electric bill.
And since computers are a form of entertainment, people will pay for it before other necessities. |
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
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With Indiana being in the list, I wouldn't say that Indiana is poor. I live in a small town (pop 300) in rural Indiana, and many people have computers and would like DSL/Cable, but it is not an option to many.
Once you get outside towns here, neighbors are usually spaced 2 ~ 5 miles apart. Deploying technologies like DSL or Cable (and most of these folks don't even have CATV) can be very expensive.
While most the folks that live in these areas would like to have DSL or cable modem service, they completely understand the reasons for it not being available and are fine with it.
It amazes me how so many people are up in arms because DSL/Cable penetration rates are so low in rural areas, especially when they do not live in a rural area. They tend to not understand that we accept it as a way of life out here and generally have other, more important things to worry about.
There are other options, often not worked into the numbers, like wireless services and satellite.
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missileman
join:2006-05-07
Little Rock, AR | reply to TigerNutz
Re: Arkansas
I don't think you know what you're talking about.....Unless you're in the Military, you live here by choice. |
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