odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
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join:2001-08-05
Norcross, GA
clubs: | don't stifle it...
This is an evolutionary technology they should be promoting it not litigating the only company with the balls to try it. |
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oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
3 edits | Cablevision ought to start running spots...
Run spots about the MPAA and these channels wanting to deny customers this stuff and give phone numbers so that customers can flood the MPAA and their whining schoolgirl members with phone calls.
The MPAA which quickly find itself on the wrong side of a PR war and get their member networks unneeded heat.
And if the MPAA wants to try and bully Cablevision or other operators, the telcos and cable operators ought use their "union" to set price caps for channels so that if the MPAA members ever want their crap seeing a single customer, they'll straighten up and fly right.
The MPAA would quickly STFU when their membership starts running into roadblocks or starts seeing their channels get dropped by major cable operators.
The MPAA needs DBS and cable operators more than cable and DBS operators need the MPAA (as cable operators just start or buy their own channels). |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
 ·T-Mobile US
1 edit | reply to odog
Re: don't stifle it...
said by odog  :This is an evolutionary technology they should be promoting it not litigating the only company with the balls to try it. Hardly. The last thing I want is to store my movies on the provider's server. Imagine if a stupid technician, installing for somebody else something, cuts your line - you not only lost your TV bu8t all of your stored stuff, let alone the fact that now they will be in full control.
This idiotic idea should die. |
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ymt123
join:2002-06-01
Northridge, CA
| Network dvr != tivo
Not to be the proponent of the MPAA here but they do have a point. Who is to say how long they will store shows for their users. How is this different from someone who sells dvds of recorded tv shows (they will be selling this service)?
I'm all for fair use but I think there is a distinction between recording on a tivo like device and recording at a central office. I think legally the difference will come down to being how it's set up, ie it will be ok as long as every user has their own copy (instead of the cable company just making one copy for everyone that wanted to record that show). |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: 
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Re: don't stifle it...
indeed.
it's hardly "customer-friendly technological approach"
next time CV will have a fight with another channel/distributor, similar to their Mets/Yankees fight, they will delete/block all YOUR content from them. so you'll be paying those extra $10/month for nothing.
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smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
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Re: Network dvr != tivo
Yes, it's exactly that. That's why Cablevision responded that the MPAA is misunderstanding how it works.
Users can only watch what they choose to record. They don't get to go pick shows they forgot to record.
And, even though it is a waste of space to keep multiple copies of the same show that lots of people recorded, they are going to do it that way anyway.
Because Time Warner Cable was already sued for its Maestro TV project, which was supposed to record everything, and let users pick what they wanted to watch.
But maybe the MPAA isn't misunderstanding, perhaps they don't like the fact that a cable subscriber could use DVR functions through their standard cable box without having to go through the trouble of swapping out for a DVR box. Thus making millions of new time-shifters without much trouble. |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs:
 ·XMission
| reply to oliphant
Re: Cablevision ought to start running spots...
said by oliphant :The MPAA which quickly find itself on the wrong side of a PR war and get their member networks unneeded heat. As if they really care? They control most of what people 'want' to watch and can dictate the rules. Now if everyone stopped buying their services, then something might be done (and most people are like my wife, "So? I do not care, I can buy up the 30-60 year old shows for $25 a DVD and watch them on my current machine so I am happy")
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jjoshua
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
1 edit | reply to smcallah
Re: Network dvr != tivo
Right.
And that's the same arguement put MP3.COM out of business. (misread the part about keeping multiple copies)
They are just hosting the DVR - not changing any existing functionality.
Let them fight with the MPAA. |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | reply to kamm
Re: don't stifle it...
I really can't see how this is any better than the DVR, except they can now record how many times you view a tv show. |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| reply to kamm
said by kamm :said by odog :This is an evolutionary technology they should be promoting it not litigating the only company with the balls to try it. Hardly. The last thing I want is to store my movies on the provider's server. Imagine if a stupid technician, installing for somebody else something, cuts your line - you not only lost your TV bu8t all of your stored stuff, let alone the fact that now they will be in full control. This idiotic idea should die. How is this ANY different from the "On Demand" services. Subscribing to Charter Cable's movie packages (HBO, etc) automatically gets you the ability to watch ANY of HBOs shows on for that month for a set time period, usually 30-60 days, at any time you want. You can treat the movie just like a DVR, pause FF, rewind, etc. The programming is stored on Charter's servers, not HBOs. So what's the difference?
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achuchma
join:2001-04-11
Tampa, FL
| reply to yabos
said by yabos :I really can't see how this is any better than the DVR, except they can now record how many times you view a tv show. They can do that now, and probably do.
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pokesph
It Is Almost Fast
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
clubs:
·Comcast
| Network DVR
personally i just want my generic, non drm'd dvr to record my shows..
but if..
How is this any different then an extended version of on demand? (which most cable co's now offer)
if the cable co's keep shows at their end for the consumer to pick and choose which they'll record (and most likely all but the lamest shows will be saved, thus providing a giant libary on the network) whats stopping them or wrorng with them from turning this into on demand with a new name / price point?
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Three Words
Build Your Own. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
1 edit | reply to qdemn7
Re: don't stifle it...
It's different from onDemand because the user has to specify what shows they want recorded. It's a fine line but in essence the user still having to manually hit the record button means it's still a dvr and it's not ondemand. And supposedly you can store shows as long as you want, until you choose to delete them. And you have a storage limit. Honestly the media companies should love this. It ensures they can enforce copy protections and time limits on recordings. Unlike stand alone dvrs. |
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Weasel
join:2001-12-18
Lombard, IL
clubs: | reply to kamm
This idiotic idea should die.
And a quick death at that. |
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cypherstream
Looking forward to the future of things.
Premium,MVM
join:2004-12-02
Reading, PA
clubs:
|  Rediculous, MPAA has gone too far!
Seriously, how is this any different from tivo, or in home DVR's? How is this different from a Media Center PC? How is this any different from VCR's or DVD Recorders? How is this any different from taping something off of the radio? So what, the hard drive is located in a data center instead of the home user. The home user still picks what they want to record, and they watch it JUST LIKE WITH A TIVO OR OTHER DVR! Someone needs to go Fight Club on the MPAA and RIAA's asses and eradicate those scum of the earth. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
| reply to qdemn7
Re: don't stifle it...
said by qdemn7 :said by kamm :said by odog :This is an evolutionary technology they should be promoting it not litigating the only company with the balls to try it. Hardly. The last thing I want is to store my movies on the provider's server. Imagine if a stupid technician, installing for somebody else something, cuts your line - you not only lost your TV bu8t all of your stored stuff, let alone the fact that now they will be in full control. This idiotic idea should die. How is this ANY different from the "On Demand" services. Subscribing to Charter Cable's movie packages (HBO, etc) automatically gets you the ability to watch ANY of HBOs shows on for that month for a set time period, usually 30-60 days, at any time you want. You can treat the movie just like a DVR, pause FF, rewind, etc. The programming is stored on Charter's servers, not HBOs. So what's the difference? Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| said by Cheese :Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. And even if the line gets cut, they damn well will restore service soon. For all the negatives often posted about Charter here, they have always given me excellent service. I would grade them as an A-.
I really don't get why the providers are so up-in-arms, (actually I do, it's all about power). This type of head-end system would give them am extremely accurate profile of what people are watching. If 125K customers in a 500K market record the same program, that gives a good indication of what's popular.
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| said by qdemn7 :said by Cheese :Since he is ignored, and I can see what you quoted, he fails, again to understand, that if it's stored on their servers, and the line gets cuts, it's still on their servers. And unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think you are going to lose anything if a line just happens to get cut. And even if the line gets cut, they damn well will restore service soon. For all the negatives often posted about Charter here, they have always given me excellent service. I would grade them as an A-. I really don't get why the providers are so up-in-arms, (actually I do, it's all about power). This type of head-end system would give them am extremely accurate profile of what people are watching. If 125K customers in a 500K market record the same program, that gives a good indication of what's popular. Yes, I would expect the line to be fixed but that information on their servers would not be affected as someone would like to claim. |
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| said by Cheese :Yes, I would expect the line to be fixed but that information on their servers would not be affected as someone would like to claim. Sure, sure, and I don't understand his opposition to this, either.
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