tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| Conversely
Similarly, crying wolf each time a network belches could hurt the case for net-neutrality by painting advocates as knee-jerk reactionaries.
Or, it can point out precisely how non-neutral nets will operate, thus helping the push to retain neutrality. |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
1 edit | Wrong.
"Similarly, crying wolf each time a network belches could hurt the case for net-neutrality by painting advocates as knee-jerk reactionaries"
Completely wrong. People are going to fuss because there is no guarantee in anyway that a network problem is just a network problem and not really intentional.
If it was illegal for ISPs to block or throttle websites, people wouldn't jump to that conclusion so fast. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
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| Lack or communication and resolution.....
That's all it boils down to; communication and resolution.
Most ISP's will not even acknowledge a problem until a LOT of people complain about it. And then, maybe there is a problem. Many times, it is still blamed on the user's system (spyware, modem, router, etc.)
Also, in the case of Craiglist and Cox, a problem that has persisted since February, there seems to be no rush in fixing the problem. This issue, so far, works in Cox's favor. Why be in a rush to fix it at all? 
Conspiracy theories exists because of the lack of communication and resolution shown in all aspects of society. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
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| An excellent argument as to why
major Telco and Cableco infrastructure owners should NOT be involved in businesses that provide content over the internet. They should stay out of the internet content business. There is way too much temptation, and opportunity, to interfere passively, or actively, with access to competing content providers. |
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Karl Bode
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Not Wrong
BellSouth isn't going to target only Florida and Tennessee YouTube users.
Cox isn't going to filter Craigslist via an optional third-party security suite nobody likes.
Neither is going to outright block content while they're busy spending millions fighting net-neutrality laws. These execs are not stupid men. Myopic and greedy maybe, but not stupid.
They will wait until the legal debate is settled in their favor, then they will employ more subtle de-prioritization approaches.
Crying wolf to instances that clearly aren't intentional net-neutrality violations will only make it easier for lobbyists and PR firms to paint advocates as crackpots. |
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| said by Karl Bode  :Crying wolf to instances that clearly aren't intentional net-neutrality violations will only make it easier for lobbyists and PR firms to paint advocates as crackpots. You mean advocates like Silicon Valley Watcher & IP Democracy? I think there is no dearth of crackpot net neutrality advocates out there to be used as examples by telco lobbyists.
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Michieru2
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The author is simply making assumptions with no actual facts and his last statement saying that YouTube and Myspace was blocked to Bellsouth customer proved to be a network error.
Stop making ridiculous assumptions unless you have any proven facts, it must be nice to hype a story so that it seems that there is actually something going on here when it's not.
So now that you have high ping times, you believe they degraded your connection over net-neutrality, do you believe that the day was going to end on June 06, 2006?
Also the Cox issue seems to be the security software that was made by a company called Authentium which seems they included craigslist in a black list. If you do not run this software you will not be affected.
This just seems to me that Cox want's to become moral police if you *had* to install it, what does this have to do with net-neutrality? |
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BillRoland
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| Net Neutrality on a Rampage
I think the thing most likely to hurt Net Neutrality efforts are the sheer amount of arm chair "experts" out there who really do not understand net neutrality at all. There was a thread in Cox HSI about a month back where a guy with a Vonage phone couldn't call a 800-number for Cox. A member of this site, an MVM no less, immediately raised the possibility that this was a net neutrality issue, exhibiting a frightening level of ignorance on an issue that doesn't need anymore chicken little's running around telling them that every time their internet connection hiccups, its a net neutrality issue. What this guy never stopped to think about, apparently, was that the call was making it over Cox's HFC, and the onto and off of their backbone fine, and on to Vonage's SIP server and subsequent media gateways, and the issue was a down level phone switch problem, probably between Vonage's CLEC and whoever Cox buys 800 access from, and in fact, it appears that Vonage or their CLEC was sending bogus ANI, causing the whole issue.
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hopeithelps
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| hope this helps
well in reading this it has reminded me of a service call i had about 3 weeks ago.i got called out because out customer could not see there advertisment on the google site which he pays for.he could get to google and search threw google but could not see his on the sponsered links top portion of the google search results. the funny thing is, he seriously thought we were blocking it, but anyways i check all his security setting ,disable fire wall just so can see i am trying cause he was pretty upset. so then i finally get the guy to call google which he did not want to do. after all his neighbors could see the link just fine. well i get on the phone and talk to google rep which by the way was very nice, unlike some other call centers techsupport. he tells me google advertises by ip address. its actuallu kinda cool cause its like they have ip caller id. lets say i have a company and want to advertise to a certain state,county or such. well google know where the ips are originating from some how. well we had just gotten a new pool of ip addresses so when i gave the google rep the ip address he said it told him the ip address was , well i cant remember exact words but somthing that in the end ment wasnt sure where it was comming from. SO we swaped his modem and he then got an older ip address which are the ones we have had......example 24's, 69's, 68's are the starting of the ip's. but the new ones are 71's so it was unrecognizable to google.
not sure if its the same thing here but thought id share. |
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GlennAllen
join:2002-11-17
Richmond, VA | Advocacy
Is there any "advocacy group" that isn't composed of at least some percentage of "knee-jerks"?
Hmmmm.... |
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Karl Bode
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Re: Conversely
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Or, it can point out precisely how non-neutral nets will operate
But they won't operate by blocking two states from YouTube outight, or via a shoddy piece of security software. Neither instance is an accurate representation of how the threat will emerge, because it's unlikely an incumbent could get away with outright blocking of legal content.
The threat emerges via subtly de-prioritized competitor packets. Tariffs are applied, and from there competing content prices are driven up. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | Naturally, it is an exaggerated proportion, but the similarity is intact. |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | Unintentional and limited is not a smaller proportion of intentional and broad. These are not cases of network neutrality violations, they are someone accidentally screwing up! |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | reply to Karl Bode
Re: Not Wrong
Do you work for these companies, how do you know? |
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
Pickering, ON | reply to tsu9
Re: Conversely
No it isn't
What you are talking about is like saying that no internet connection and a reduced speed are the same thing when they clearly are not. |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | reply to insomniac84
Re: Not Wrong
I have magic beans I bought from a pretty pink dragon. |
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ieolus
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join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to ross
Re: An excellent argument as to why
I could not agree more. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
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Re: Conversely
You're missing the comparison. I'm not saying these are net neutrality violations, but rather the effect is--or could be--similar. The, "Oh, if a few packets get dropped, that isn't our problem. That website could upgrade to our AwesomeService Plus™ routing to gaurantee their traffic." is the comparison to which I was referring. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to Shark_615
What happens when too many packets drop, "get lost", or are routed horribly? |
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Necronomikro
join:2005-09-01 | reply to hopeithelps
Re: hope this helps
NetGeo IP. It's useful - you can see what state people are from, usually. However, sometimes the information is out of date.
www.dnsstuff.com has a little netgeo IP tool. |
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