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I think the universities are GREATLY overstating the costs of implementing this. Most already have the network mgt tools(sniffers for ex.) in place to do this with little additional costs. I believe they are exaggerating the costs because they have a philosophical disagreement with helping the government and law enforcement to catch students breaking the law.
Unless overturned by the Supreme Court, this ruling means that universities, ISP's, etc. must install wiretapping equipment at their own expense so that law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc, on internet connections. And I believe the Supreme Court, as currently constituted, will uphold this ruling.
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Jim Gurd
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So what's to stop people from encrypting their VoIP? It's not hard to do and can be done either in the router firmware or on the PC itself. Skype is a perfect example. |
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AMDonUT2004
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...costs more for college kids to go to college. So that they can watch what we do on a daily basics online... why?
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knightmb
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Forcing wiretap does nothing to the high tech crook/thief that is already using encryption. You might catch Joe Blow low tech thief, but the amount of money spent far outweighs what you gained.
I guess all the crime syndicates operate out of colleges and my grandmom's dial up connection? |
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Re: Universities overstating cost impact
I figure if the government wants to wiretap and eavesdrop then they should pay for the cost of implementing the equipment. Philosophical differences aside, why should I have to pay out of pocket because some spook wants to catch kids trading mp3's? Oh...the terrorism thing..okay, well whats not to stop these people from using encrypted protocols to do their business? Then all that money I spent on installing wiretapping equipment for the government to "listen" to Habib's conversation to Abdul in Pakistan is wasted anyway, since the traffic is encrypted...
Either way, the government should pay the costs if that's what they choose to mandate.. |
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asianboi2k
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Re: Crooks are still crooks
this is gonna be fun, wonder how long before an exploit comes out that will allow civilians to operate the systems.
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The Commie States of America. |
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Governments impose numerous costs on individuals, businesses and other organizations. These become the cost of doing business. Phone companies have to pay for the costs of being able to comply with wiretap orders. Car owners have to pay for the costs of vehicle safety inspections and repairs. Heck, the government even mandates that you wear clothing when you go outside. Who pays for all of these things? You do.
Any business or other institution has an obligation to cooperate with the government when it comes to executing legally obtained search warrants. Why are some people here insisting that such places get an exemption from this sort of thing?
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Once again the....
The Universities are not telling the truth. The Fed' will pay and have paid for these changes. These Universities want to have their cake and eat it to. They don't want to piss off the government because of Federal tit they all feed off of for research moneys, so instead they whine and moan we don't have the money. If they where honest they and their left wing faculty would come out and object to this because the demon Bush is trying to spy on them. The problem is there is all that federal money....
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Heil king George... Must be a happy day for all those that voted for this monarch... and some decry the death of monarchy in the U.S |
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Re: Crooks are still crooks
Think the government has a chance of getting sued when it gets misused?
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Re: Universities overstating cost impact
said by TKJunkMail  :I think the universities are GREATLY overstating the costs of implementing this. Most already have the network mgt tools(sniffers for ex.) in place to do this with little additional costs. I believe they are exaggerating the costs because they have a philosophical disagreement with helping the government and law enforcement to catch students breaking the law. Unless overturned by the Supreme Court, this ruling means that universities, ISP's, etc. must install wiretapping equipment at their own expense so that law enforcement(with a court order) can tap into VOIP, emails, IM's, etc, on internet connections. And I believe the Supreme Court, as currently constituted, will uphold this ruling. Why should universities be forced to do this in the first place? They have peering agreements with outside networks like ATT for example. A quick look at the Missouri's University network shows that we have peering with ATT and Qwest (in the past we had one with SBC also, but since the merger that doesn't count anymore). Point being? ATT already watches and logs everything we do - no need for redundency.
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said by GhostDoggy :The Commie States of America. I have to agree. This isn't a monarchy - the true attackers against democracy are in our own front lawn, and this isn't limited to Georgy-Boy. No wonder he gets along so well with Russian President Putin. The Soviet Union may have yet won the cold war without anyone knowing.
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you may wanna hop onto freenet. Tor aint secure. |
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WHY are people worried about the cost? Shouldn't we be worried about the civil liberties lost under the Bush administration? Hasn't this Evil Monster done enough harm?The Republican party was suppose to mean less government? But the patriot act and wiretapping help us how? Let's see....
1) NO criminals have notably been caught using these wiretaps....That would have made the news ( and we all know Bush would BRAG about it to!!)....SO WE are giving up our rights for a PRELIMINARY OVER-REACTION
2) THE PATRIOT ACT HAS allowed the government warrantless wiretaps and searches of our records... LIBRARY ETC....
3) That ring a bell? China and other dictatorships/ communist countries do this to keep track of their citizens...AREN'T WE SUPPOSE TO BE AMERICA? Land of the free? Where's the public outcry... Don't let this evil monster misguide you with his ludicrous war on terror. We have more to fear from this man and his trampling of the constitution than we do from real terrorists... Is it better to live oppressed and "safer" or live your life as normal.... If you are so scared, move to a padded room while the rest of us live and enjoy life... The government is not suppose to rip away freedoms so it can propagate its own agenda...What next? Free speech?
SPEAK OUT guys and write your congressperson before its too late... STOP this trend....we must put an end to it before its too late and these rights are gone forever. |
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Re: Universities overstating cost impact
I think the FCC is being un-realistic.
Why don't they make a device or devices that can be deployed to do the monitoring. It's them that want to monitor they should fit the bill..
F-it.. I want this paid for directly out of the congressional (fund raising coffers {oops I do mean personal piggybank).
The corruption needs to end.. Corporation need not be able to purchase congress and senators and in turn laws.
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TKJunkMail
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said by tiger72 : A quick look at the Missouri's University network shows that we have peering with ATT and Qwest (in the past we had one with SBC also, but since the merger that doesn't count anymore). Point being? ATT already watches and logs everything we do - no need for redundency. I doubt they do that, no matter what the buzz is about NSA & AT&T. But it really doesn't matter. Because law enforcement may want to tap LOCAL LAN traffic while pursuing a criminal. And AT&T or Qwest or whoever wouldn't see traffic contained within the university lans. And a court order would still apply there too.
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said by Transmaster :...The Fed' will pay and have paid for these changes..... there is nothing in the FCC order that mandates the government paying for the required changes. Unless the FCC or congress changes something, the universities and others have to pay for this out of their pocket.
That is one reason most are complaining, especially since when this was mandated for the wireline system, legislation specifically directed that the telcos be reimbursed. |
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