oliphant
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| Still fairly generous...
If Verizon is capping at around 10GB that is still pretty generous and they should simply advertise it as such rather than lie in their advertising.
Unlimited = unlimited
Anything less than unlimited is a lie and Verizon should be held accountable for their deceptive advertising practices. |
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pnh102
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| said by oliphant  :Anything less than unlimited is a lie and Verizon should be held accountable for their deceptive advertising practices. Agreed... the FTC needs to better enforce existing laws against this sort of false advertising.
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frogli
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Enough said |
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JazzJRabbit
join:2003-09-27
Wheaton, IL | reply to pnh102
I thought deregulation was the key? Let the private enterprises do what they are doing since governments obviously can't do a better job?
Changing sides much? |
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TKJunkMail
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said by oliphant :If Verizon is capping at around 10GB that is still pretty generous and they should simply advertise it as such rather than lie in their advertising. Unlimited = unlimited Anything less than unlimited is a lie and Verizon should be held accountable for their deceptive advertising practices. They do tell subscribers about the caps in the sign-up agreements. But I agree that they shouldn't use the word unlimited in advertising if they want to keep the customers happy.
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pnh102
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said by JazzJRabbit :I thought deregulation was the key? Let the private enterprises do what they are doing since governments obviously can't do a better job? Changing sides much? Huh?
There are laws against false advertising and there are government agencies that are tasked with enforcing these laws. Verizon cannot legally advertise a service as being "unlimited" and then impose some sort of limit. Either Verizon should make it very clear in the advertising what the limit is, or simply stop using the word "Unlimited."
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Pirate515
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said by JazzJRabbit :...since the government obviously can't do a better job? Can't or won't? |
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shaner
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| 10GB is still a lot
That's a lot of mobile data. You'd be hard pressed to hit that amount, unless its your main connection.
But yeah, unlimited should mean unlimited. I work for Bell in Canada, and our EVDO was being advertised as unlimited, even though there was a 250 MB cap. In a heartening turn of events, front line employees complained loud and hard, and the name changed to 'Platinum' with the cap plainly visible in all our literature. Score one for the little guy.
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amungus
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| and...
if you're spending that much time downloading on your phone you have no life... 
I don't know that I download that much in a month anyway, let alone if I had a telephone to do it with.
Agree though that "unlimited" ought to mean just that, and if there is a limit, it should be clearly stated in the terms. Should one exceed (clearly stated!) said limit, it should also be clear how much you'll be charged (per 100MB??) just like the minutes on one's plan... |
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Gilitar
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jjoshua
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2 edits | Unlimited access
Verizon is selling unlimited access - not unlimited bandwidth. It's pretty clear on their web site. Plus, the following terms are clearly spelled out:
Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess:
Subject to VZAccess Acceptable Use Policy, available on www.verizonwireless.com. NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation). Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess is for individual use only and is not for resale. We reserve right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using NationalAccess or BroadbandAccess in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Verizon Wireless reserves the right to protect its network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term.
I'm not a Verizon fan but you can't really complain here. It took me all of 2 minutes to find this on the web site.
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nasadude
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Rockville, MD | On another note....
this might be a little taste of what's coming our way for wired broadband after net neutrality leaves the building. |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | reply to shaner
Re: 10GB is still a lot
That's the biggest bloody rip off. $100 bucks a month for 250MB. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
1 edit | reply to jjoshua
Re: Unlimited access
It still does not list the limitation specifically. Reservation of right is not explicit in stating that said reservation is always in place at some predetermined point.
And, I just have to point out: "unlimited access" isn't, when access grants nothing.
They really need to learn to set the limitations properly within their own legal documentation, so people are not intentionally misled. |
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guitarzan
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Re: On another note....
You're absolutely correct Nasadude Which reminds me of a proverb, Can't remember it exactly, it goes something like this.
Never invite or allow? a camel to poke its nose into your tent because its just a matter of time before the rest of the camel follows.
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oliphant
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Re: Still fairly generous...
I had the plan and there were no actual caps stated in my service agreement...only the ambiguous don't kill our network speak. But they didn't advertise a don't kill our network plan...they advertised and sold me on an unlimited plan.
They, like many operators before them (eg Comcast) want their cake and eat it too...bait and switch. Comcast changed their advertising away from unlimited and Verizon should do it to.
Verizon's offering is still a fair deal. IOW, it's good enough that VZ doesn't have to lie about it in order to sell it. |
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itguy05
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Camp Hill, PA
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Re: and...
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if you're spending that much time downloading on your phone you have no life...
I don't know that I download that much in a month anyway, let alone if I had a telephone to do it with.
Then you don't have a smartphone. I have my Treo set to get mail every 30 mins, and some light web surfing, and I'm blowing through about 7-8MB a day (210MB in 30 days) and that's not counting hitting a web site with a lot of graphics.
And this is over Cingular's slower EDGE network - I'd imagine a faster network would have me using it a little more.
Thank God Cingular doesn't have these "caps". |
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JazzJRabbit
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Re: Still fairly generous...
said by pnh102 :Huh? There are laws against false advertising and there are government agencies that are tasked with enforcing these laws. Verizon cannot legally advertise a service as being "unlimited" and then impose some sort of limit. Either Verizon should make it very clear in the advertising what the limit is, or simply stop using the word "Unlimited." OK, let me be crystal clear since you are going to be running around the isuue forever otherwise. You've made your entire point yesterday (see here »Seize the Incumbent Networks) that government cannot do anything effectively, be it public schools, amtrak, securing borders, social security/welfare services or even interstate highways. And you argued profusely that businesses know best and that "The assumption that government control of the Internet would result in decent service & competitive business is wrong". You said it just yesterday. So why are you turning to the government now to regulate the industry? I thought that "anything good that happens in this country is the result of hard working people and elbow grease, not the government". So why not let the hard working people of verizon (with some help from uncle sam elbow grease) handle the issue? Why do you want government to intervene now if they can't get anything right? |
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cdru
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Fort Wayne, IN | reply to itguy05
Re: and...
So you are trying to demonstrate how downloading 210MB a month with a smartphone somehome equates to others downloading 10GB, a 50x increase?
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wifi4milez
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Re: Still fairly generous...
said by JazzJRabbit :I thought deregulation was the key? Let the private enterprises do what they are doing since governments obviously can't do a better job? Changing sides much? What?? False advertising and deregulation are two very, very different things. Perhaps you should read up on the two totally unrelated topics before you make fun off someone's comments.
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