inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | Wow, this sounds great!
you'd only need 200 users paying $50 to pay this thing off. In the suburban/rural fringe I think this is very doable!
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jjsk8r85
join:2005-02-17
Belleville, MI | Wisp
I've long dreamed of starting a wisp up north for those with no DSL or cable access. Starting capital is the only thing getting in the way I suppose :/ |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Must Multitask...
If it can't bring life to the Frankenstein Monster then I'm not interested!
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John_W
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join:2000-04-25
Worcester, MA
clubs:  | reply to inteller
Re: Wow, this sounds great!
How fast is a T1 Line? Isn't it only 1.5Mbit?
Put only a handful of people on that at one time and you'll be cruising along at dial-up speeds. Am I wrong in thinking that, I'm not exactly a networking guru.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | You won't get everyone online at once, and you'll rarely get lots of folks downloading at once. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to inteller
200 users sharing a three megabit link is certain disaster.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
 ·T-Mobile US
 ·RoadRunner Cable
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said by inteller  :you'd only need 200 users paying $50 to pay this thing off. In the suburban/rural fringe I think this is very doable! You could go with 100 users to pay off the equipment in a few months. $5000/mo income, - recurring cost of the 2 T1's at ~$1500-2000/mo, and the rest goes to profit and paying off the equipment costs.
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indysz
Premium
join:2003-07-26
Valparaiso, IN
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to pnh102
Think here guys
Your going to sell a T1 to 200 people? Think logically here DSL and Cable is well over 5mbps to each user. As soon as something else became available customers would flock to another ISP. I worked at a WISP and we ran into the same problem.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
·T-Mobile US
·RoadRunner Cable
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Re: Wisp
said by jjsk8r85 :I've long dreamed of starting a wisp up north for those with no DSL or cable access. Starting capital is the only thing getting in the way I suppose :/ Go to a bank, have a good business plan, and get a $20,000 loan. There ya go. As long as you can prove that your chances for return are high (as they would be in any town of just a thousand or so people) and that the chance for the big cable or phone companies to provide broadband is low, you should be good.
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | Every school ,townhall and library
should have atleast one and lease the hours after 5pm-5am off to rural folks maybe that can help out a bit if they are'nt already doing this |
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Iridium
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join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to tiger72
Re: Wisp
said by tiger72 :said by jjsk8r85 :I've long dreamed of starting a wisp up north for those with no DSL or cable access. Starting capital is the only thing getting in the way I suppose :/ Go to a bank, have a good business plan, and get a $20,000 loan. There ya go. As long as you can prove that your chances for return are high (as they would be in any town of just a thousand or so people) and that the chance for the big cable or phone companies to provide broadband is low, you should be good. You should also do preliminary research and see if anyone in your 'hood needs or wants the service.
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou | reply to tiger72
Re: Wow, this sounds great!
Two-bonded T1's can be had for much less. |
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raccettura
join:2002-09-28
USA
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Re: Every school ,townhall and library
1. Only 1 uplink for the site? No redundancy?
2. Only 1 T1 for all customers?
3. Mail, DNS, HTTP, FTP, all on one server!
4. Server outdoors protected by metal box!
Wow, talk about bootstrapped.
#3,4 IMHO are just unacceptable. Should be separate (mail, DNS should be redundant on multiple boxes) and in a datacenter with backup power and physical security.
Yikes. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| reply to indysz
Re: Think here guys
i never said anything about using T1s. there are a NUMBER of other technologies that can be deployed besides T1s.
I think its also good to remember that a lot of the COs in these rural locations are centrally located to the areas they serve. So if you locate your tower close to the CO, you could open up more possibilities for the backhaul.
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Iridium
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join:2003-04-02
Los Angeles, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| said by inteller :i never said anything about using T1s. there are a NUMBER of other technologies that can be deployed besides T1s. I think its also good to remember that a lot of the COs in these rural locations are centrally located to the areas they serve. So if you locate your tower close to the CO, you could open up more possibilities for the backhaul. I remember where I used to live before, the CO was jut couple of blocks away. if DSL was around back then or I lived there now I could probably be getting 8 down!
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truocchio
join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL
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Re: Every school ,townhall and library
Ya, I could make a car with a couple of 2 x 4's and some wheels and maybe a lawn mower engine but I doubt anyone wants to carpool with me.
This idea is a customer service nightmare....not like i havent seen many of this in my day, but I always notice that some how they dont stick around too long.
Oh yeah they forgot to mention the pricing for CPE per customer. That is always the most often overlooked aspect that causes the greatest pain. |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
Premium
join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | reply to jjsk8r85
Re: Wisp
Heck skip the bank and goto the USDA for grants. Thats how they did it here. |
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davoice
join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC
·Comporium
1 edit | They're not trying to compete w/ Comcast, et. al
When you look at something like this remember... They're going places where the other providers have forsaken.
You can cry, complain and whine about loading 50-100 people on a single T1. You can fuss about it only being 1.5mbps. But when you have no other options, you'll gladly sign up. Remember, if you're out of range from the CO or not in a neighborhood where the cable company provides cable modem service, you're screwed.
Compared to satellite, this sort of service is a godsend to the people they have as customers. I lived in the Jackson, MS area for 5 years in one of those forsaken areas. No cable modem, no DSL. I paid out the butt for ISDN. The irony was that our apartment complex had FIBER to each complex from Bellsouth. But the ONU's Bellsouth had used in the installation back then could only handle POTS, ISDN or a single T1 per ONU. There was no DSL or ethernet card available for them. So we were stuck with no other choices. And the cable company was Susquehanha (sp?) [aka SusCom] Communications. They only offered 1-way cable modem service and that was iffy. For 3 years they kept announcing that "2-way cable modems are coming soon". But their cable plant was so crappy that it wasn't possible.
Now why they're hosting their email and such at the tower, I have no clue. It would have been much cheaper and more reliable to buy space at a web hosting company somewhere. Oh well.
PS... Remember, most wireless ISPs in Mississippi and other places in the south have a hard time using 2.4ghz equipment due to pine trees (the pine needle absorption/multipath effect). So if you're planning to do this around pine, you'll want 900mhz or 5ghz. |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
·Comcast
| The reason its all hosted at the site is because it gives more bandwidth to the customer to retrieve email and reduces look ups for dns.
It's meant to reduce the traffic load on the t1's. Not a bad idea but all the spam being spewed onto the t1 quickly negates this if the spam issue gets large for them.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to John_W
Re: Wow, this sounds great!
That's 1.5 Mbps symmetrical, and uncompressed. |
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