zjumper
join:2004-08-17
Baltimore, MD | here we go again
soon, you'll have to sign a TOS before logging into their wireless network stating that you have purchased a coffee and a bagel. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | Confused?
He must've heard you needed java to surf the net? |
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | What did he expect?
He was told multiple times to stop, and didn't. Dumbass gets what he deserves. |
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jm5501
join:2003-12-24
Merrillville, IN | double post
this was posted already on 6-23!
»/shownews/75696 |
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peerimpact
join:2005-11-07
Londonderry, VT
| Coffee Shop needs Wireless Security
The Coffee shop needs to secure their own network At least use WPA with a password you chage everyday or get a Log in Page but it seems they are too cheap to do that if the manager compalins this guy is leeching off her free to air Publicly Availible Wi-Fi connection .
I can pick up at least 3 unsecured networks from my neighbors on my Property, handy when I want to get some work done on the laptop and I dont want to sit in the office  .
Of course I have WPA Encryption with a 64 character password and I use MAC filtering for my network. |
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Shrapnel64
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Hayes, VA
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| You bring up a good point...as many others have brought up as well.
They should have some sort of system, where when you purchase the cup of coffee, you are given a password to use for the Wireless AP, using WEP encryption at the minimum.
If you don't buy a cup of coffee, you don't get this password, in which case, this case is solved by not allowing unauthorized people (those trying to freeload in the parking lot, instead of spending 4 bucks on a cup of coffee latte supreme) connect and use the wireless access.
Another way to do it, would be to turn down the penetration on the WAP, so that it barely reaches outside of the walls. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: double post
And also on the 22nd too:
»Wi-Fi Freeloader Arrested
They must REALLY be in love with this particular story.
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mr sean
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N. Absentia
clubs: | reply to jm5501
Think of repetition as a form of change. |
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Anonymous
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"As it turns out, Smith is a Level One Sex Offender..."
That's probably why he did that, anyway I think they should secure their network and hand out access codes with a coffee 
Otherwise people will log in. I work for a cable company and more than once I have parked outside a coffee shop to use mapquest. Used their connection for about several minutes and left. I did that with several unsecured private (house) networks too.
If you don't want me to do that secure your network. |
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NyQuil Kid
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join:2001-01-06
Brick, NJ
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1 edit | reply to peerimpact
Re: Coffee Shop needs Wireless Security
The Atlanta Bread Company runs a free wireless network at its local shop - it is encrypted and all a customer has to do is inquire about the password (I am unsure whether they rotate the password, but I suspect they don't).
So at least you have to inquire about the network to gain access; actually the first time I used it, I noticed the IP was provided by a linksys router - while the network was encrypted, they left the default router login info intact! I was a good boy however and immediately informed the manager of the security hole - it was patched about twenty minutes later.
CORRECTION: The network is no longer encrypted, but at least the router is still secure by virtue of changing the default login.
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Chameleon
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Re: ?
said by Anonymous  :If you don't want me to do that secure your network. But would you do it after the cops tell not to anymore?
The problem with this guy, is that he had a free pass to move on and he didn't.
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AnonProxy
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ß | How many times we gonna post this thing?
»/shownews/75696 |
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Hellrazor
join:2002-02-02
Abyss | hmmm
If I parked in your driveway to (ab)use your wireless signal, would it be a problem? |
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Rob
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
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Re: here we go again
said by zjumper :soon, you'll have to sign a TOS before logging into their wireless network stating that you have purchased a coffee and a bagel. The problem is that he came back after told to leave. Plus according to the article he was spending hours at a time. That's just abusing it!
He's a real champ, he's a Level One Sex Offender also.
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blacksurfer
join:2002-07-14
Sherman Oaks, CA | reply to Hellrazor
How do you prove it?
He will say he was playing solitaire and was not using the Net. Wireless routers don't keep track of logs in. |
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| reply to zjumper
Re: here we go again
I feel he is being persecuted by the coffee shop due to their calling the cops to hassle him about his using their network without paying for some food/drink. IMO, he was doing nothing wrong with using their UNSECURED network. The CORRECT charge to file against him under the circumstances, IMO, is TRESPASSING (ie: Parking in their Parking Lot without being a customer). To make that stick, they would need to have a "Parking for Customers Only" sign at the entrance to the lot (and possibly in the lot itself). I've seen such signs near train stations to warn commuters to not park there. So long as they do not secure the network, it is open to whoever wants to use it. At a minimum, if using encryption is to complex for their purposes, they should at least stop broadcasting their NetworkID (print it on the receipt or put it on a sign labeled "Network for Customers Only"). So long as they make no attempt to prevent so called "Freeloaders" like this person from using connecting or designating who it is being offered to, they have no cause for complaining about his using their system. I've used the Free Wireless Access at Hiltons even when not checked in but they do it right by requiring you to provide their NetworkID to your Connect Screen and are otherwise not known as an Available Network. |
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anonnoa
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| The air is free
I really don't understand. If it's in the air open and free you should be able to get it. It should be the transmitter that has the obligation to provide some sort of security measure that was thwarted before it's considered to be a transgression and legally punishable.
As for returning to the parking lot this *might* be trespassing if and only if the owner of the coffee shop actually owns the parking lot (not the usual case).
What next ? Someone is arrested cause they overheard the supermarket manager yell across the store the safe combo and shouldn't have listened ? |
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rideboarder
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Snohomish, WA
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Re: ?
said by Chameleon :said by Anonymous :If you don't want me to do that secure your network. But would you do it after the cops tell not to anymore? The problem with this guy, is that he had a free pass to move on and he didn't. To me it looks like that this guy is as stupid as a brick. You would expect a sex offender to be a little more careful about getting involved with the law, but I guess not. He deserves what he gets, since a warning was plenty enough for him to move along. |
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ComSenc
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| RTFA...it was blatant abuse
If you read the article you'll realize this guy was asked several times by the business to leave if he was not going to buy anything. Happened over the course of months. Any business has the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. The moment he refuses, he's trespassing, and yes he is also stealing the signal because they explicitly asked him to stop.
If I walked up to your house and started drinking out of your hose, you'd probably ask me to leave. If I stayed there and didn't leave, you'd probably call the cops, right? It doesn't matter if the hose is "always on" or if the hose is not "locked down." Sure maybe I should practice better security with my hose, but that doesn't give anyone the right to just stroll up and start leeching from my hose. As a property owner (or business owner) I have the right to ask anyone to leave my property.
The real violation here is that the guy didn't listen to the people running the coffee shop. He did not respect their rights and wishes, and therefore he was reported. Got what he deserved IMO. This guy should be lucky he didn't get slapped with trespassing charges and a restraining order. Theft of service is almost a non-charge and he will likely walk with a fine. This case has nothing to do with WiFi security or "free" and "open" wireless access points.
Break the law, pay for it. |
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zjumper
join:2004-08-17
Baltimore, MD | reply to Rob
yeah, he is a real winner
i totally agree on that part, he was asked to leave, so he should go but you know all these places are going to go further than they have to just to ensure they are making $$$. which i don't disagree with either, they are running a business. |
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