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Comments on news posted 2006-06-25 09:13:06: 20-year-old Alexander Eric Smith of Battle Ground, WA didn't come to the front door of Vancouver's Brewed Awakenings for coffee and bagels. ..
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 Markie
join:2003-07-26
Kalispell, MT
| hmmm Okay, so I actually kinda AGREE this guy should be charged BUT ONLY because he kept doing it after being told to leave. All the cases of charging someone who was never told not to are ABSURD. Because they're INVITING public access with the open network.
NOW, Re: his sex offender status - that's absurd to bring up as well and it was irresponsible journalism. It has nothing to do with whether or not this was a crime.
Finally, it's not that hard to setup a LOGIN SCREEN. GRRR. Took me a few hours to setup ChilliSpot at our church. And at zero cost to us. | |
| daniel3673
join:2006-01-03
Spokane, WA
| Not enough facts to judge but... Not enough information for me to make a judgement call on this one. If he had been told multiple times to leave the property, then he should have gotten those warnings IN WRITING, documentation is very important. Sounds like he was just verbally told to leave. And we don't know where the property line is, or who owns the lot, and what parts of it. Plus if someone is going to be procecuted, in this case, this guy, is there a way to find out what he was using the connection for? Any way to track where he went on the interent while he used that connection? If that evidence exists, can it be used against him? Would the shop owners have any liability if he used the connection for any illegal activities? Would be interesting to find out all that. If I could, I would like to be in the courtroom to hear this case, could serve as a precedence, but who knows. | |
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InIllinois
@comcast.net
| Just because it is not locked does not grant you a license I am troubled by the concept "Unsecured or inadequately secured = free access for all".
If thise were the case, if you can take it or use it without damage then all is OK. So take a dip in your neighbors pool if the gate is unlocked, by all means go into his hoome as well (it was not locked). No harm no foul.
Intelectual property does not have a chance with this philosophy: If you can dupe it without damaging the owner then it is yours.
If you are told not to access a system, or network and you continue to do so, because it is not secured you are stealing. If you work for a commercial company, and use someelse's property for commercial gain, including looking up directions that is theft.
If you use an unsecured wireless connection of your neighbors and you know he left it open because he does not care who uses it, then it is OK.
If you don't know he does not want people to use it, then you are probably OK. As there are many people who don't care if you use their wireless servie.
If you use a wireless connection where the owner has encripted it, or in some way has posted an actual or virtual "No tresspassing sign" you are in deep shit. Here the No Tresspassing sign is out, and this moron should have stayed out of the network.
This is such a unique case that nobody else should be threatened by this unless of course you have also been warned multiple times to not use someone's wireless network connection.
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whizkid3
Premium,MVM
join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY | Re: Just because it is not locked does not grant you a license Theft of a free service?
Plain & simple: any lawyer with an IQ over 80 gets him off. A lawyer with an IQ over 110 files a lawsuit against the shop, and the cops, for unlawful arrest. | |
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Thrudd
join:2004-06-21
Mississauga, ON
| Re: Just because it is not locked does not grant you a license Funny .. very funny .... US perceptions on Canadian broadcast law .... It doesnt work that way folks. Just because public resources can be privately owned in the US doesnt mean it has to happen in the rest of the world.
Basic simplification of broadcast law in canada ... you can listen to anything impinging on your space BUT you can not rebroadcast in any way shape or form without permision except when a matter of law/public saftey comes into play.
An open network is a grey area here BUT if the broacast/access went outside the shop and they did nothing to restrict access except to single him out to say no, dont do that, then it could be considered ****ism. say hellow human rights commision and getting on everyones A list (you don't want to be on RevCanadas A list)
A totally similar example to clarify what I mean. If they held concerts in the shop and had the doors and windows open so people outside could hear the show outside, they could do nothing to stop people from gathering on the sidewalk or other nearby areas to hear the shows since they are freely broadcasting outside the shop. If someone then recorded the concert from outside then they would get in trouble.
DOH - Just reread the article - WHY oh WHY doe they have to name small american towns after Canadian cities?
Vancouver Washington? Thats as bad as Toronto California. | |
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