shashinka
join:2000-09-16
West Boylston, MA
| fine by me! bring out the compeition
I don't think that we need to have every single local government involved in every town. Competition should be wide open to any company that would like to provide services. Also the telcos/cablecos shouldn't be able to meddle in a town's affairs if they want to build their own network. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | No One Died Because of Less Government
Any local government which blocks any broadband deployment has outlived its usefulness. GO VERIZON!
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs: | Any corporation that blocks any broadband deployment has outlived its usefulness. So DIE VERIZON?
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | Eradicate
Facilitate fatality. |
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serg_leo
join:2001-11-28
Germantown, MD
| Anne Arundel OKs Verizon Cable Deal
»www.wtop.com/?nid=25&sid=842727
A second Maryland county has given Verizon Communications the green light to begin cable television service.
Anne Arundel County Executive Janet Owens signed the 15-year deal Thursday. Verizon has already been granted a cable franchise in Howard County.
Under the new agreement, Verizon will provide free basic cable service to Anne Arundel County schools, libraries and other municipal buildings. The county will receive 5 percent of the revenue and five channels will be reserved for public access. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| reply to pnh102
Re: No One Died Because of Less Government
You do realize that this ideology fundamentally disrupts the foundation on which our current governmental system stands, correct? If there is no need for local government, that means state or federal takes over, and that is absolutely not what can or should happen, within very obvious reason.
It's a very dangerous suggestion that corporations be allowed to surmount government and the people. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| Follow the lead of companies
Most mid to large companies realised several years ago that they had to eliminate unnecessary levels of management and flatten hierarchies to survive into the 21st century. It is about time that public-funded government realised this too. Government's aim should be to provide value-for-money to the tax payer - not to provide perks to, and boost the ego of, would-be leaders. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
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Re: No One Died Because of Less Government
said by tsu9  :It's a very dangerous suggestion that corporations be allowed to surmount government and the people. I'm not saying local government isn't useful. There are plenty of problems for which the local government is ideally suited to solve.
However, if the county is so bored that it has nothing better to do than block FIOS deployments, then something is seriously wrong.
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to tsu9
said by tsu9 :You do realize that this ideology fundamentally disrupts the foundation on which our current governmental system stands, correct? If there is no need for local government, that means state or federal takes over, and that is absolutely not what can or should happen, within very obvious reason. It's a very dangerous suggestion that corporations be allowed to surmount government and the people. Your reading right into the BS the local government is spoon feeding you. All Verizon wants is to not be extorted with unreasonable demands to get a franchise. All the more reason a national or state level agreement is needed and hopefully coming soon. That will bring competition faster benefiting us all. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| reply to pnh102
However, that's precisely what they do: uphold public ROW and other such things, to ensure their constituents are treated appropriately according to their wishes, not the corporations or other jurisdictions.
Removing power from them over such things starts a slippery slope that is, at best, terribly destructive. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
3 edits | reply to Cod
The only "unreasonable" demand that I saw was the public access channels, which more than likely could be addressed in a proper fashion. Other things, which the local government absolutely should have control or power over (such as public ROWs) should not be overstepped. Insisting that states or federal governments should have the ability to rule over the local governments on such matters defeats the purpose of local governments: to make sure their constituents get a fair shake, instead of being glossed over or marginalized by those in very different regions. It's a very necessary protection.
Corporations do not run the government nor the people, I'm afraid. Or, at least, that is how things are supposed to be. The opposite is getting more and more prevalent in our society these days, which is a damned shame. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to tsu9
said by tsu9 :However, that's precisely what they do: uphold public ROW and other such things, to ensure their constituents are treated appropriately according to their wishes, not the corporations or other jurisdictions. And Montgomery County must do this for FIOS. It isn't like Verizon wants to run toxic waste to peoples' houses. Verizon has gone out of its way to lick the collective @$$es of every local government from here to New Jersey. They have every right to complain about Montgomery County being unreasonable.
But in the end, its the people who get screwed because of less competition.
Besides, there are other more serious problems here which probably better merit the County Government's attention. For one, street gangs are enjoying a resurgence here. Perhaps the County Council should tell them to stop doing what they are doing as well.
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compugeek
I love making my own beer.
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join:2002-07-30
Pickerington, OH
 ·Insight VOIP
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| reply to tsu9
What about complaints about service and things like that. I know I and they know I won't get a reasonably timed or a response at all from the feds or State.
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| reply to pnh102
The point is that the locals decide what is proper in their jurisdiction, not the corporations. If the government in the area is doing something improper, there are ways for the citizens to rectify that, and that should be pursued before any corporation is allowed to run rampant, negating the local governmental structure. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| reply to shashinka
Re: fine by me! bring out the compeition
When we're talking rights of way it's not so easy as that. How many times would you want your back yard dug up to facilitate all of that competition? I still say a municipal infrastructure (or a business with no intent on providing content) open to ISPs so they can compete is the best way to go. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | I agree, however, it must be within reason, and the locals must not be overstepped.
This, of course, means the locals must be reasonable for things outside the necessary precautions and protections (such as ROWs). |
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majortom1981
join:2004-08-26
Lindenhurst, NY
| Hmm
I think the local government should be involved.
If the local government is not involved Verizon would be able to dig up any street they want and create traffic chaos.
They will not care about whqat there instalation causes while they are doing it.,
The local government must be involved to keep watch so that verizon doesnt cause any problems. |
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cbrain
join:2000-05-21
Silver Spring, MD
·VoicePulse for Bus..
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·VoiceStick
| What about all the other jourisdictions?
I'd like to believe my council member, but, I've lived in this county. Montgomery County has a 20 plus year history of failure with cable. I know we've had over 8 ownership changes. I think the Comcast forum here at BBR shows how Comcast Montgomery compares to other areas. The broadband bill of rights was only necessary because of the failure of out regulators and politicians in enforcement or franchise transfers. I think our locals have shown they are not up to the job. They press for perks for the county and show no interest in the the customers that pay for cable service. I'm looking forward to the discovery if this litigation proceeds. |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX
| reply to tsu9
Re: fine by me! bring out the compeition
What's more reasonable than a big fat fiber pipe connected to every household that every ISP/telco/cableco can tap into and provide service? You only have to dig that ditch once for a slew of companies to offer up whatever they want in the area. Rights of way won't be much of an issue after the initial laying out of the infrastructure. Sounds like a sweet deal for all involved (except those who don't want competition horning in on their territory). |
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liquidnw
join:2005-06-05
Bronx, NY
| Local COntrol?
Basically local control = perks,under the table b.s, etc.
Honestly I'm so tired of localities claiming the loss of local control. Out side of safety concerns the locality really shouldn't be able to block build outs as they do. I'm sure if they took a poll from the people, they would prefer getting some competition and a lower cable bill as opposed to keeping there precious Public access channels and what ever "local control" means. |
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