God
IN Vilseck Germany
Premium
join:2002-07-01
Colorado Springs, CO
clubs:  | Who cares
Well i guess some people do care very much about this, but i would gladly give up my copper in order to get the fios |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs:
 ·QuantumVoice
 ·AT&T Southeast
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| If you want faster internet(who doesnt) without distance problems and everything fiber the only way to go. I know more than enough people that would die for fiber. I dont like the telco's but they have everyone beat.
People:: this is change it is good. Reminds in history when people where scared of airplanes and now look at people always on them.
Copper has served its life time to move on people. DSL is old tech anyway time for fiber. 
Just my .02 in this mess |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs: | reply to God
I prefer to keep my copper phone. But since I can't get DSL (~20k feet), I'd gladly give it up for the glass.
If DSL were available, I'd probably want to keep it alongside the FiOS so I could have redundancy. |
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manfmmd
Premium
join:2003-01-14
Earth
clubs:
| It's all FUD!!!
"They'll have to pry my Morse Telegraphy Machine from my cold dead fingers" - Samuel "- .- .--. - .- .--. - .- .--." Morse
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ieolus
Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to hayabusa3303
Re: Who cares
And when Verizon jacks the price up high enough for you to want to move back to DSL with a competitor (LOL), what will you do then?
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"Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp |
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pb5k
more cowbell
Premium
join:2005-11-16
Glendale, AZ
·Cox HSI
| reply to hayabusa3303
It's not about faster internet, it's about Verizon lock-in. If VZ ripped out my copper to replace with FIOS I'd be happy because I would love to have FIOS. But if the copper goes, any chance of getting DSL from VZ or any other reseller becomes impossible. Your choices for terrestrial HSI will then be Verizon or $incumbent cable monopoly. Good for Verizon but bad for consumer choice.
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
1 edit |  Now it's my turn ...
Now it's my turn
...to make the following comments:
--DSL is not a god-given right,
--its a luxury,
--Verizon has no obligation to give it to you,
--If you want DSL (again), move to some place where you can get it,
--Look, Verizon is in business to make money,
--if they don't want to maintain copper that they own,
-- and don't want to worry about being forced to lease it to CLEC's, it's their right
If these are valid reasons to give to rural and small-town folk when they complain about lack of broadband, then they're valid for city-slickers, too |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | reply to ieolus
Re: Who cares
hop onto cable? I'm sorry, i just can't empathize with people who would rather have 150 year old technology in their basement than fiber. |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | reply to PDXPLT
Re: Now it's my turn ...
As long as they've got the sort of control over the ROW that they do, those reasons are invalid for city, rural, and small town folks. "We won't install a copper line and because of our franchise we won't let anyone else do it either" ain't valid. |
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BIGMIKE
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
| reply to ieolus
Re: Who cares
said by ieolus  :And when Verizon jacks the price up high enough for you to want to move back to DSL with a competitor (LOL), what will you do then? move back to cable.
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ieolus
Support The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | reply to tiger72
Because there is a guanantee that cable will be any better or cheaper. Come on guys, that is NOT a viable strategy.
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"Speak for yourself "Chadmaster" - lesopp |
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jsnwtlr
Premium
join:2004-12-16
Carrollton, TX |  Go Back to DSL? No Way!!!
There's no way I would go back to 768 kbps DSL. I'm beginning to think that 6 Mbps cable would be too slow but that would be the only conceivable substitute for me. |
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Kfedka
Premium
join:2005-05-06
Spokane, WA | reply to russotto
Re: Now it's my turn ...
Out with the copper, in with the fiber! |
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mswann
join:2006-07-08
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
·Charter Pipeline
| They can do what they want in you backyard
"Oh, right. I forgot to mention the NID box is basically in our backyard with two Dobermans,", I work at a title company and most of my work consists of finding where utility lines rn across property. If they have an easement running through your backyard they can put the nid box anywhere along it. If it is not within the boundraies of where they have rights to they can't put it there. |
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jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Reston, VA | reply to Kfedka
Re: Now it's my turn ...
I'd rather see them spend all that money placing fiber to homes on R&D for a secure wireless solution. |
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gatchel
join:2000-11-28
16465
| Buy a generator
I could care less. Take the copper, scrap it, make some more money at this point. Besides, all of the toys and techie things I have now I figured I might as well get me a generator too. Back-up battery ...NO Problem.
Is 7500 watts enough o run the NID?
The well pump working during an outage is secondary. |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| What if you move out?
What if you move out? Does Fios make your home more valuable or less valuable?
Depends on the person buying your house. If someone was looking for a home and saw that regular old phone service was not available and the only option was the more expensive Fios solution what position does that put them in?
And why in the hell is Verizon getting away with eliminating CLECs? Rip it out so we do not have to sell the copper lines to anyone else. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to ieolus
Re: Who cares
There's no guarantee that your mythic alternative DSL provider will be any better or cheaper either.
Live in the real world.
People bitch whine and moan about not having fiber and then when they get it, they bitch whine and moan about not having copper?
Please. 
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livininarizona
Premium
join:2001-08-05
Merced, CA
clubs:
| reply to PDXPLT
Re: Now it's my turn ...
said by PDXPLT :Now it's my turn...to make the following comments: --DSL is not a god-given right, --its a luxury, --Verizon has no obligation to give it to you, --If you want DSL (again), move to some place where you can get it, --Look, Verizon is in business to make money, --if they don't want to maintain copper that they own, -- and don't want to worry about being forced to lease it to CLEC's, it's their right If these are valid reasons to give to rural and small-town folk when they complain about lack of broadband, then they're valid for city-slickers, too you don't work for the telco do you?
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| reply to russotto
said by russotto :"We won't install a copper line and because of our franchise we won't let anyone else do it either" ain't valid. There's no prohibition preventing another company from installing their own copper line to you. In fact, that's what Verizon thinks should happen; it's called "facilities-based competition". They just don't want a competitor to be able to use Verizon's copper.
'ain't no franchise requirements for broadband, only for TV services (in some places). |
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