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pnh102
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| said by logins_suck  :time to leave the country Seeya! I hope more of your kind follow suit. Nothing has pissed me off more than hearing those who keep saying they want to move not actually follow through with it.
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TKJunkMail
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|  Witch hunt - lots of accusations and no proof
Looks like just 1 more liberal media witch hunt. No proof, but lots of accusations and suppositions. It is ashamed the MSM has turned into the Enquirer where the reporters just make up their stories with no facts or research involved.
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daniyel
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"Nothing has pissed me off more than hearing those who keep saying they want to move not actually follow through with it."
You must not have many problems in your life for this to take such a toll. Nothing pisses me off more than a government that constantly removes our rights, and monitors our activity. 200 Million Americans are currently participating in Terrorist activity? Looks like grandma's and pet parlors are being monitored at the tax payers expense.
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join:2000-08-16
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| William Black nailed it! What's left to discuss...
except a demand for ousting of the current FCC commissioners, and the immediate roll-back of their over-generous anti-consumer decisions in order to bring the regulation of telecom into compliance with the intent of Congress as expressed in the Telecom Act of 1996, accompanied by the public censure and the bringing of criminal charges against the heads of NSA, CIA and the USAG. AND, finally, the removal by impeachment of our illustrious leader, GWB, and his entire rotten cabinet.
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morbo
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Re: Witch hunt - lots of accusations and no proof
what exactly are you saying is wrong or non-factual? oh the irony. you are the pot calling the kettle black. |
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RayW
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Re: great
said by logins_suck :time to leave the country *YAWN* Yes, and I like how you will follow through, just like all the anti-Bush movie stars who said they would leave the country in 2000 (and some again in 2004) if he was elected, and then found out they were not as popular as they thought (and did not leave).
As someone else pointed out, all hype and no substance to this. Certain forms of non-warrant tapping are legal and others are not. It sounds like some questions are: are they legal or not, and given that the tapping has pulled some arabs/muslims/kooks out of the wood work, what will be the legal status of those arrested/detained using this information if it is ruled that it was illegal? Turn them loose to try again?
If I sound a bit jaundiced at the media, I was in Vietnam when our 'free press' thought it would be nice to talk about certain confidential military operations, all part of the anti-war movement. Lost some friends because of them, which many of us thought was the point of the articles.
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houselog442
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Re: William Black nailed it! What's left to discuss...
Why should we believe anyone in the communist press? The evidence is overwhelming that the press believes in terroism and will say anything to destroy america. Most the people who support liberals are really communist pinkos that hate america because it is not a communist country! They will use islam as muscle to destroy capitalism! Most of the press hates America, and most the liberals on here are too busy reading the communist manifesto to have any intellectual thought! |
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knightmb
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join:2003-12-01
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| Sorry, can't read minds........ yet......
We all know how this goes, if someone is doing something that favors one person but hurts another that is at odds with you, unless it's written down somewhere it will be dang near impossible to prove. Actions speak louder that words of course, but excuses can be made for any action.
If I go for a job interview and the human resources guy is my best friend, sure I'll probably get the job. The other guys applying for the job, if they knew we were buddies would get upset. The problem is, no one is a mind reader. They can accuse the HR guy of bias, but he can make up any excuse to explain why I was chosen to be hired instead of them.
It's the same thing here, if the FCC did give them a favor it's not going to be found in a secret document titled "We love Verizon, Bellsouth, AT&T, but hate Qwest.odt" file. It's all about the "Good 'ole boys" system that is universal the world round I'm afraid  |
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI | reply to RayW
Re: great
Really? And what operations were those? And the names of your friends so I can cross reference them to those known lost and missing in Vietnam? |
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This is the government you voted for, why blame business?
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Combat Chuck
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Re: Witch hunt - lots of accusations and no proof
said by morbo :what exactly are you saying is wrong or non-factual? oh the irony. you are the pot calling the kettle black. Those who make claims are expected to provide evidence supporting those claims, not those pointing out there is no evidence presented.
What the editorial writer presented as evidence is nothing more than pointing out various things may or may not be related. And even then much of it only looks the way he wants it to look if you think the landscape of phone companies is still as it was back in 1993, which it most certainly is not.
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL
| [...]not those pointing out there is no evidence presented.
This is slightly different. They aren't pointing out there is no evidence, but rather are saying that there will be no investgation. There is no admission nor denial and no due process. |
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upidstay
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knightmb, you are absoultely correct! The good ole boys
system is really what is America's problem today, not some
"liberal communist" agenda or some "conservative fascist"
agenda. It is the same at some jobs where a lot of people that are hired are those that the bosses know instead of hiring actually qualified applicants. The government will probably allow AT&T and the rest to create an tiered Internet in exchange for keeping quiet about any involvement with the NSA. The "I scratch your back, you scratch my back" system must stop in order for true competition and innovation in the broadband industry. We all know that AT&T, BellSouth and Verizon's attitude toward competition (especially smaller competition) is like that of a man with no fighting skill in a boxing ring against a woman's boxing champion. If you win(being the man), you wont get much credit, but if you lose, then you are crap! |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Witch hunt - lots of accusations and no proof
said by tsu9 :[...]not those pointing out there is no evidence presented.This is slightly different. They aren't pointing out there is no evidence, but rather are saying that there will be no investgation. There is no admission nor denial and no due process. The problem with having an investigation of every accusation is that the contending parties will make non-stop accusations thereby preventing anything from being done at all. The whole activity of government would be nothing but non-stop investigations.
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tsu9
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| You say this, but you know that it isn't quite true. And, even if it were, that does not preclude proper investigations. As people are so fond of quipping, "if nothing wrong is being done, there is nothing to hide/fear."
Government without proper accountabilty is a horrific thing.
I'm not saying it is at that point, but when something relatvely simplistic as this is quietly pushed under the rug, it has no choice but raise questions about what is or is not happening. There is enough evidence to open an inquiry (though, not to the level of this conspiracy theorist's playground OP), but the government is simply not allowing any questioning of its methods or non-methods, and I find that a potentially more dangerous stance than simply allowing the investigations to properly continue.
Scrutiny is a very important aspect of our governmental process, let's not forget. |
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houselog442
join:2005-10-05
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Its like the USA today article, they put out a big story, and then wait till the weekend to admit they may the whole thing up. You can't trust the media, they are nothing more than left wing commmunist pinkos, and the only good communist is a dead one! |
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RayW
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Re: great
said by clickie :Really? And what operations were those? And the names of your friends so I can cross reference them to those known lost and missing in Vietnam? Marine Corps forward radar control sites for one example. As far as names, find them yourself.
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tsu9
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Wheeling, IL | reply to houselog442
Re: Witch hunt - lots of accusations and no proof
McCarthy, is that you? |
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GhostDoggy
join:2005-05-11
Duluth, GA
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How hard is it to say, "as spokesperson for company X, we are not tracking, data mining, nor collecting information for ourselves, or for any external entity, federal or otherwise, that involves private information on our consumers."?
While I have not gone finding the content that originally sprouted the AT&T-NSA issue at hand, if someone delivers a bunch of paperwork that 'appears' to be in violation of federal wiretapping laws, it would be relatively easy for a company to state clearly not true and defend themselves in an open forum (no, not a web-forum) when J6P can ask the question.
I've found it difficult to take into any serious the claim by AT&T to not have its hands dirty when the way things have responded only further questions their truthfulness. BTW, wasn't documents provided to a newspaper originally on this subject? And its nice seeing how federal judges do a 180º about face after a White House visit. Yeah, nothing suspicious there. |
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