garmst
join:2000-09-17
New York, NY | New York City first PLEASE!
I'll die waiting for FIOS and I don't care about TV anyway! Pure bandwidth is what I want! |
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DonChino
join:2005-01-18
Kearny, NJ
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We already pay for the power grid to the Statue of Liberty so we should get FIOS before New York City....  Where is the logic in that?
FIOS will probably be too expensive but ADSL2 for 14.99$/month? Sounds good...
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NetFixer
Freedom is NOT Free
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join:2004-06-24
Murfreesboro, TN
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 ·AT&T Southeast
 ·Cingular Wireless
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| Exactly where in the Covad press release did you see any reference to ADSL2 for $14.99 per month?
I am a long time user of Covad DSL, and believe me, they don/t offer any service for $14.99 per month.
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tapeloop
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join:2004-06-27
Airstrip One
| said by NetFixer  :I am a long time user of Covad DSL, and believe me, they don/t offer any service for $14.99 per month. Damn straight on that one. Here's hoping that maybe, just maybe, thos oe us in the lower tiers might see a price decrease. Or something.
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Obliteration
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join:2005-09-18
Somewhere | Hopefully I can get their service in Chicago soon
Wishful hoping but hopefully it comes true. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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|  Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment
»finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DVWCovad's stock has been dipping in late afternoon trading. The tech sector today dropped about 2%, so the Covad stock drop may not mean much. On the other hand it might mean that Wall St doubts that Covad's investment in the faster technology will have a good ROI. What Covad does in the next few days may tell more about the reaction to the announcement.
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meister_sd
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join:2006-01-29
La Mesa, CA | Too bad for me Cox cable is still cheaper. |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to TKJunkMail
Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
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Re: New Jersey BEFORE New York City
said by DonChino :We already pay for the power grid to the Statue of Liberty so we should get FIOS before New York City.... Where is the logic in that? FIOS will probably be too expensive but ADSL2 for 14.99$/month? Sounds good... 1. It's ADSL2+, not ADSL2.
2. For $14.99/mo the best you will be able to get is 768k/128k ADSL2+... |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment
said by Sammer :Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people. 5k feet - for what speed?
This is the Nth times I see some type of loose number thrown in...
ADSL2+ (both ITU G992.5 and ITU G992.5M, 1Mb and 3.5Mb up, respectively) simply doubles the 1.1Mhz downstream freq of ADSL2 within 9000 feet.
FYI: IIRC ADSL2+ is capable for ~25Mbit down within 1km or 3300ft, around 18Mbit up to 2km or 6500ft, ~12Mbit up to 2,5km or over 8000ft etc. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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| said by kamm :said by Sammer :Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people. 5k feet - for what speed? This is the Nth times I see some type of loose number thrown in... ADSL2 + (both ITU G992.5 and ITU G992.5M, 1Mb and 3.5Mb up, respectively) simply doubles the 1.1Mhz downstream freq of ADSL2 within 9000 feet. FYI: IIRC ADSL2+ is capable for ~25Mbit down within 1km or 3300ft, around 18Mbit up to 2km or 6500ft, ~12Mbit up to 2,5km or over 8000ft etc. He is just quoting what was in the BBR news item for this topic.
Covad and Earthlink have been offering 8Mbps ADSL2+ to in-range (closer than 5,000 feet to the CO)
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by kamm :said by Sammer :Closer than 5,000 feet to the CO so not very exciting to many, many people. 5k feet - for what speed? This is the Nth times I see some type of loose number thrown in... ADSL2 + (both ITU G992.5 and ITU G992.5M, 1Mb and 3.5Mb up, respectively) simply doubles the 1.1Mhz downstream freq of ADSL2 within 9000 feet. FYI: IIRC ADSL2+ is capable for ~25Mbit down within 1km or 3300ft, around 18Mbit up to 2km or 6500ft, ~12Mbit up to 2,5km or over 8000ft etc. He is just quoting what was in the BBR news item for this topic. Covad and Earthlink have been offering 8Mbps ADSL2+ to in-range (closer than 5,000 feet to the CO) Ah, I see, thanks. However this 5k still doesn't really make too much sense to me... |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| reply to garmst
Re: New York City first PLEASE!
said by garmst :I'll die waiting for FIOS and I don't care about TV anyway! Pure bandwidth is what I want! Seconded. |
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MHX
join:2000-05-24
Los Angeles, CA | Faster speeds in close...what a crock!
What's really needed is something to increase the reach of 1500/384 service. That would increase the number of customers and provide a benefit needed far more than 8mbps to a limited number of people. |
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | !
I bought my ADSL2+ modem just for this, I am waiting on you Covad do not dissappoint me  |
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envoid
join:2002-12-21
Duluth, GA | reply to MHX
Re: Faster speeds in close...what a crock!
Was thinking along the same lines. They need to figure out a way to get decent speeds at a further distance from the CO (for ADSL/ADSL2/etc). |
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sporkme
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join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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Re: Stock drop MAY indicate doubts about ROI on investment
said by TKJunkMail :» finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DVWCovad's stock has been dipping in late afternoon trading. The tech sector today dropped about 2%, so the Covad stock drop may not mean much. On the other hand it might mean that Wall St doubts that Covad's investment in the faster technology will have a good ROI. What Covad does in the next few days may tell more about the reaction to the announcement. Wall Street probably realizes the following:
-Covad is (mis)managed, they are truly full of morons and have no real vision for the future. Briefly after their bankruptcy they got rid of a good portion of mid-level do-nothing management and things actually better (than before the bankruptcy or now).
-Covad is just pretending that they will somehow have perpetual access to copper.
-Even after erasing a pile of debt in their bankruptcy they still just burn cash like crazy.
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
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join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | ADSL2+ so why only 8Mbps?
Standard dsl can offer 8Mbps at it's max, so why offer the same speed that standard dsl is capable of with adsl2+? |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| said by Rob A :Standard dsl can offer 8Mbps at it's max, so why offer the same speed that standard dsl is capable of with adsl2+? ADSL2 bonds two pairs, so those close to the CO can get 24 MB/s and those farther out, it will help lower the line stats so they can get something better than 1.5 MB/s bandwidth. Also DSL is limited to 6 Mb/s download and 768 Kb/s upload. |
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knightmb
Everybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to envoid
Re: Faster speeds in close...what a crock!
said by envoid :Was thinking along the same lines. They need to figure out a way to get decent speeds at a further distance from the CO (for ADSL/ADSL2/etc). Well they already can with Remote Terminals, but they cost alot.
ADSL2 bonds two pairs (because usually every house has one live pair and one unused pair running to their home). All this does is lower the line quality problems with long distance, so those close to the CO can get higher speeds and those far away can get speeds better than before. Those really far away are still limited by the laws of physics, so unless a Remote Terminal is put in close by, they are still out of luck. |
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