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I swear people want the power to stay on No matter what happens outside.
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You understand they run on Back up batteries as well when the power goes out?
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1 edit | Re: Stop Bitching Some of us here along the Gulf Coast keep an old style rotary phone handy for hurricane season...because POTS will work when the power goes down.said by Subaru :Talk about a Very Not informed Customer! -- How you can make the world a Better Place | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by mr sean :Some of us here along the Gulf Coast keep an old style rotary phone handy for hurricane season...beacuse POTS will work when the power goes down. said by Subaru :Talk about a Very Not informed Customer! Buy a UPS hook it up to the ONT and Hell a 2000VA would give you MORE then enough run time. -- It's NOT Ni-kon It's NE-KON!
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by Subaru :said by mr sean :Some of us here along the Gulf Coast keep an old style rotary phone handy for hurricane season...beacuse POTS will work when the power goes down. said by Subaru :Talk about a Very Not informed Customer! Buy a UPS hook it up to the ONT and Hell a 2000VA would give you MORE then enough run time. That's still far from bulletproof. I think the point is that people are uneasy in needing to rely on limited battery backup in case of dire emergency. That's the key, no matter how much capacity you have, it's still limited. -- Wiki Wiki The more secretive a government is, the more skeptical we need to be. --Shepard Smith | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by Subaru :said by yock :That's still far from bulletproof. I think the point is that people are uneasy in needing to rely on limited battery backup in case of dire emergency. That's the key, no matter how much capacity you have, it's still limited. lets see... 2000VA gets you a little over 2 Hours on a Home PC.. Now given the ONT is not a home pc those 2 hours will go a long way. If I'm correct someone did a Power draw test and it was very little. Fine, then it works for you. Some people aren't so keen on trusting that battery. Batteries don't last forever you know. The point is, emergency equipment should be as simple, minimal, and bulletproof as possible. FiOS doesn't meet that criteria.
I understand your perspective, you want new technology, you want to push the envelope. That's great, but most people want a safety net before they put their lives at risk over an unproven communication technology. -- Wiki Wiki The more secretive a government is, the more skeptical we need to be. --Shepard Smith | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by Subaru :lol that's why batteries have to be replaced, I understand "older" people don't like change but it's just something they will have to deal with. But half these people that are complaining don't have Verizon serving them anyways so it's pointless. I don't like changing my UPS batteries because they're damned expensive. One UPS is enough for me, but if I start maintaining two and three, or if the world trends to these technologies and I'm maintaining a household battery backup, suddenly you're talking about serious maintenance costs associated with this. Again, that's no problem, but it does prove fairly well that FiOS is inherently less reliable than POTS. -- Wiki Wiki The more secretive a government is, the more skeptical we need to be. --Shepard Smith | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by cableties :First, if it was that kind of emergency, it's likely the phone lines will be down. That is why "prepared" folks have an emergency cellphone (active only for emergency purposes). Cell phones don't work very long in a power outage. Unlike most POTS offices cell towers don't have generators. Once the batteries run out it's dead in the water.
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| said by cableties :First, if it was that kind of emergency, it's likely the phone lines will be down. That is why "prepared" folks have an emergency cellphone (active only for emergency purposes). Second, If you are out of celltower range, then there are neighbors. They might not have Fios. Be social. I check on the elderly that live near me. Thats not the right way to think. What if everyone has switched to either cable co phone (battery same or worse than FIOS) or to FIOS, which neighbors will you goto? Are you going to play with chance? | |
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| Most houses are wired with at least 2 lines and many have more.
When I had FIOS installed; I had them install it on my 2nd line; so my Primary phone line is still pots....
What are you guys whipering about.
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| said by BarneyBadAss :Most houses are wired with at least 2 lines and many have more. When I had FIOS installed; I had them install it on my 2nd line; so my Primary phone line is still pots.... What are you guys whipering about. This is a no-brainer to solve. Okay, but that's more expensive. I didn't say there weren't ways around it, only that FiOS isn't as reliable as standard POTS. -- Wiki Wiki The more secretive a government is, the more skeptical we need to be. --Shepard Smith | |
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| """When I had FIOS installed; I had them install it on my 2nd line; so my Primary phone line is still pots.... ""
Huh??
You have FIOS installed on your 2nd line? Interesting as i thought FIOS was run over FiberOptic line.

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| Re: Stop Bitching Stop and think about this for a second.
Say you have a place where you can have more than one carrier concurently. (Yes Hillary, I have 2 or more phone lines in my place of residence).
When Vz. came and installed FIOS; I TOLD THEM My "Line 1" was in use and by another carrier, and FIOS would be off of my line 2.
In fact, from a purely legal aspect, when Vz. installs FIOS, they "CAN'T" convert any other phone line in your house.
So you have a couple of choices here.
Choice 1: Install FIOS and use Vz. land line on the same phone.
Choice 2: Install FIOS Bare; use either someone elses service or no service at all
Choice 3: Don't install FIOS
So no matter what your choice; don't whimper.
BTW..... Beleive it or not; I could actually get Vz. on my primary line as a "POTS" line! And even though I HAVE FIOS; if I wanted DSL on my Primary line; beleive me; since it's a POTS line; .... I can get it... I may have to fight ... but I could get it none the less.... and .... if Vz. won't provide DSL ... there are others who will....
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| Re: Stop Bitching actually if your house lines are verizon, in most areas they CAN switch the lines to fiber. specially if there is no cost increase involved for the phone lines. only certain circumstances is it being allowed to keep 1 as copper and 1 as fiber and that is only in some areas. If you have a CLEC they have no legal right to make you change phone companies to convert to fiber.
as far as DSL. if you are trying to use the pots line that is on fiber for DSL with another company it will not work. the only copper components of that line are inside your house. the rest is on fiber straight to the CO. and no company can send DSL over that line. old copper world they could because verizon had no choice. if they wanted to lease the line verizon had to. they do not for the fiber. | |
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| said by yock :I understand your perspective, you want new technology, you want to push the envelope. That's great, but most people want a safety net before they put their lives at risk over an unproven communication technology. Then don't get FIOs if you're so paranoid. 
How much bottled water do you keep on hand in case the power AND the water supply goes out?
How much canned and dried food do you keep in case of disaster?
Do you own and are prepared to use firearms for self-protection in case of a major disruption in civil government, or do you think that's only the Law Enforcement's job? Seeing that you live in Ohio, one of the most anti-gun states in the country.
You see you can WHAT IF? things into stupidity. That's what's wrong with this country today, too many Chicken Little's who really do think the sky is going to fall. -- We want the Republicans out of our bedroom and the Democrats out of our wallet and both out of our First and Second Amendment rights." - Alan Nathan | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by qdemn7 :said by yock :I understand your perspective, you want new technology, you want to push the envelope. That's great, but most people want a safety net before they put their lives at risk over an unproven communication technology. Then don't get FIOs if you're so paranoid.  How much bottled water do you keep on hand in case the power AND the water supply goes out? How much canned and dried food do you keep in case of disaster? Do you own and are prepared to use firearms for self-protection in case of a major disruption in civil government, or do you think that's only the Law Enforcement's job? Seeing that you live in Ohio, one of the most anti-gun states in the country. You see you can WHAT IF? things into stupidity. That's what's wrong with this country today, too many Chicken Little's who really do think the sky is going to fall. Verizon doesn't even exist in Ohio outside of their wireless wing, so FiOS will never be an option.
Yes, I do have canned food.
Yes, I do have bottled water.
I don't own a gun (and what does gun control have to do with this?)
I what if until I'm blue in the face because I like to be prepared. Communication is one of those things I'm not prepared to go without. If that makes me paranoid, all I can say is 'thank you' for the complement. -- Wiki Wiki The more secretive a government is, the more skeptical we need to be. --Shepard Smith | |
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2 edits | Re: Stop Bitching quote: Verizon doesn't even exist in Ohio outside of their wireless wing, so FiOS will never be an option.
Yes, I do have canned food.
Yes, I do have bottled water.
I don't own a gun (and what does gun control have to do with this?)
I what if until I'm blue in the face because I like to be prepared. Communication is one of those things I'm not prepared to go without. If that makes me paranoid, all I can say is 'thank you' for the complement.
If youre not in a FiOS area, why are you complaining ? IF Verizon merges with your company one day, and you end up with the SUPERIOR, REPLACEMENT to copper technology, buy a backup generator. Shouldnt you have one of these already considering youre just so damned prepared for disaster ?
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by qdemn7 :Did you read what I wrote? Ohio is one of the most anti-gun states in the US. So Ohio is more civilized than Texas. What's your point? | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by Transmaster :Whisper, Whisper  .....remember don't mess with Texas, like Wyoming we are both members of the gun culture. For us gun control is how well you can aim. Well.... almost. Gun control is hitting your target, repeatedly.  -- We want the Republicans out of our bedroom and the Democrats out of our wallet and both out of our First and Second Amendment rights." - Alan Nathan | |
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| said by yock :said by Subaru :said by yock :That's still far from bulletproof. I think the point is that people are uneasy in needing to rely on limited battery backup in case of dire emergency. That's the key, no matter how much capacity you have, it's still limited. lets see... 2000VA gets you a little over 2 Hours on a Home PC.. Now given the ONT is not a home pc those 2 hours will go a long way. If I'm correct someone did a Power draw test and it was very little. Fine, then it works for you. Some people aren't so keen on trusting that battery. Batteries don't last forever you know. The point is, emergency equipment should be as simple, minimal, and bulletproof as possible. FiOS doesn't meet that criteria. I understand your perspective, you want new technology, you want to push the envelope. That's great, but most people want a safety net before they put their lives at risk over an unproven communication technology. So why don't you go and complain to the people who make smoke detectors about having to replace the 9v battery that powers the thing. Stop complaining, and buy a UPS or don't get FIOS... Simple as that. -- [BetaNews | phpBB |MSN TerraServer |Space Imaging] | |
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| PSU draws 11W w/o phone or CATV Thanks for remembering.
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11 Watts power draw, by the PSU (Power Supply Unit), when I tested it. Internet only, no phones, no CATV. No battery re-charge active, either (The FiOS system regularly does a live load test on the battery. The battery then needs a re-charge, just as if it was recovering from a real power failure).
The specs say the PSU can provide a maximum of 30 Watts.
15 Watts a reasonable assumption, with phones and CATV? More? -- Government is like fire - a dangerous servant and a fearful master - George Washington
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by Subaru  If I'm correct someone did a Power draw test and it was very little. [/BQUOTE :"Very little" is a relative term because of personal opinion, a Air Conditioner takes very little currect compared to a Metro train. Doyou have any numbers? | |
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| said by Subaru :said by mr sean :Some of us here along the Gulf Coast keep an old style rotary phone handy for hurricane season...beacuse POTS will work when the power goes down. said by Subaru :Talk about a Very Not informed Customer! Buy a UPS hook it up to the ONT and Hell a 2000VA would give you MORE then enough run time. Yeah yeah, living in Jacksonville is coastal too, yet most of the darn hurricanes head this way. I don't have FIOS, but have had this debate with VoIP in general in the past. It boils down to this, the telco wants to save money by removing their "built-in" power plant. Upon doing so, people now realize "Fiber Sucks!". Now we have people huffing and puffing, someones gonna sue, and Verizon will stop their deployment, reconsider using the old land lines as power sources, determine it's impossible to do with the existing infrastructure (considering if the CO puts your tip and ring to a regular telco circuit, they might fry your modem if that line gets a call) without grave consequences. The fact of the matter is the new phone service should have been installed ALONG SIDE of older service, and not removed. By removing it, they get kick backs on the cost of the copper, but lose on reliability. Either way it goes, you just paid for a kick ass internet connection, but when the power goes out, you are stuck with a cell phone, or land line...
Why hasn't anyone complained that there isn't enough pay phones? -- SIPPhone/Gizmo # 17476200648 / PIMPNET Chatline / Ran by Asterisk & Slackware 10.1. | |
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| said by mr sean :Some of us here along the Gulf Coast keep an old style rotary phone handy for hurricane season...because POTS will work when the power goes down. Well it's a good thing that you're not in Verizon territory then. But the point still remains, POTS runs on backup batteries when the power goes down as well, so the only difference between FiOS and POTS in that regard is where the battery is located. | |
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join:2003-08-16 Stratford, CT | Re: Stop Bitching Not true.. SOME are on battery backups. verizon has backup generators in their C.O's | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by ITALIAN926 :Not true.. SOME are on battery backups. verizon has backup generators in their C.O's All central offices use batteries regardless if there is a generator there or not. -- R.T.F.M. +++ | |
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| Actually, standard power engineering in a CO is as follows...
Batteries are online ALL THE TIME. This is just in case there are any power fluctuations from the commercial AC... Yes, they buy their power from the same place everyone else does.
When the system detects a draw on the batteries alarms go off and the generators begin to kick on.
You do realize that generators don't just automatically produce full power the instant they come on, right? -- Note : The statements made by myself are my own and not the opinions of my employer or of my coworkers. 15.81 GHz Crunching Power | My Random Thoughts... Yes, I have thoughts. | |
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1 edit | Re: Stop Bitching I think the point here is that POTS lines carry their own DC power that can be delivered from the CO using those old DC submarine batteries and/or generators.
Where fibre can't carry it's own power and is more dependent upon battery back-up and/or generators in the field and at the CPE.
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In the case of POTs there is one battery backup for the entire system at the CO.
In the case of Fibre you need power on both end of the line for it to work (not just the CO) because Fibre does not conduct electricity. | |
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| You are correct. The CO provides basic power for simple telephones with POTS. I guess it's all in how you read Mr Sean's original message. If/when POTS goes down completely and fuel and/or battery reserves runs out, no telephone will work no matter how old fashioned it is. If you are on a remote terminal, you may or may not have telephone service as well. -- Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? | |
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| If you're working on a remote (which is entirely likely if you have DSL and are more than 3 miles out) you'll only have dial-tone for 10-15 hours if Bell doesn't bring out a generator.
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join:2003-08-16 Stratford, CT 1 edit | Re: Stop Bitching One thing to do is have a UPS plugged in for your computer so u dont lose unsaved files. If power does go out, shut down your comp and youll have the fully charged UPS as your SPARE. Just relocate it. | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching When Katrina went through I kept a fully charged UPS just to run the modem. My DSL worked till the remote terminal fell below the Low Voltage Disconnect level which was about 4-5 hours after power loss.
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Some of us here along the Gulf Coast keep an old style rotary phone handy for hurricane season...because POTS will work when the power goes down.
Ok dude....r u kidding me? If a hurricane hits what the hell do you think goes on the telephone poles. | |
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| said by Artec :Ok dude....r u kidding me? If a hurricane hits what the hell do you think goes on the telephone poles. RU 12?
Anyhow, yeah, perhaps it's like Florida where most utilities are underground. I've been through 2 hurricanes down there and POTS was not a problem.
I understand that some people "just want their fios", but to spout all this nonsense like buying your own UPS or claiming that COs don't have generators with many days of fuel is just silly. Forgetting that cell sites don't is silly.
It's simple - Fios makes a fairly reliable phone service less reliable. If you don't care, so be it, but STFU - no one is taking your fiber masturbation station away.
This summer we've got power problems all over again. Ask the folks in Queens how they'd like to have no phone service for 8 days. -- Day dreaming days in a daydream nation | |
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1 edit | Re: Stop Bitching said by sporkme :said by Artec :Ok dude....r u kidding me? If a hurricane hits what the hell do you think goes on the telephone poles. It's simple - Fios makes a fairly reliable phone service less reliable. This summer we've got power problems all over again. Ask the folks in Queens how they'd like to have no phone service for 8 days. Right... because we are all drooling over FIOS for the phone service. 
Some people (not necessarily you) want everything with no drawbacks. They want fast with reliable with safe with the kitchen sink. That's not how real life works. Everything has pros and cons.
People that have FIOS and are bitching about the reliability, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT and be creative.
Private owners nowadays can get solar panels, UPSs, even a regular car battery can work in a pinch for goodness sakes.
A small generator is less than $200 if all you want is to power the phone.
Heck, hook the equipment to the car battery and turn on the key for an instant generator that you probably already own.  | |
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| said by Subaru :What makes you think the POTS is going to work? You understand they run on Back up batteries as well when the power goes out? Talk about a Very Not informed Customer! Where I live the central office has generators and one week of diesel fuel on hand. | |
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| POTS is powered from the phone line itself... the 'backup' is done at the Central Office with a combination of Generators and Battery Backup...
You won't lose POTS after 10 hours of power outage.... you likely won't lose POTS after a week of power outage... | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by BSEE :
POTS is powered from the phone line itself... the 'backup' is done at the Central Office with a combination of Generators and Battery Backup...
You won't lose POTS after 10 hours of power outage.... you likely won't lose POTS after a week of power outage... Buy a home Genrator then, BUT wait lets Bitch because the Genrator only runs for 6 hours on a tank of fuel and the CO runs for days!!!
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| Those backup batteries last for at max 28 days. Compared to 10-12 hours. I remember reading a 1998 article in regards to POTS and showing how can the phone lines work even after power goes out.
Although I am not a Verizon customer I can see why people would at least like to have there landline as a backup, yet again you can always use a cellphone.
Frankly I don't need my landline since my main line is my cellphone. Although when a hurricane does hit you got to stand on top of your car to get a signal from a tower probably 8-12 miles away.
Plus if power goes out I can always charge it in my car, if the car is gone I simply disconnect the car battery if still in one piece and connect a inverter I have and charge it that way.
People need to find other solutions to problems, but that does not mean Verizon should go about ripping people's copper out the wall. If anything I call it a forced migration that once you have fiber you cannot go back to copper. Your fiber connection will be your phone line/tv/internet/etc.
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| The point is in the many times in my life the power has gone out (once after hurricane Gloria in the 80's for 15 days) the phone has never ever stopped working. That is due to the redundancy and robustness of the Phone network. FIOS actually reduces that protection because of the copper line going away. The phone company has always been able to route around breaks in the network except in extreme cases. FIOS because of its dependency on the home power tap loses that protection. | |
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| said by Subaru :Who do you need to call 10-15 hours after the Power goes off? What about if the power is out for 8 days, still not going to want to call/contact anyone, cellphone and payphone dont apply? | |
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 |  Kearnstd Elf Wizard Premium join:2002-01-22 Mullica Hill, NJ
| ok what do they mean by the batteries fade after 10hrs?
do they slowly drain or is it from 10hrs of use because i can say this, nobody needs 10hrs of talk time when the power is out unless you plan to call 911 10 times and talk for an hour each call. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: Stop Bitching said by Kearnstd :ok what do they mean by the batteries fade after 10hrs? do they slowly drain or is it from 10hrs of use because i can say this, nobody needs 10hrs of talk time when the power is out unless you plan to call 911 10 times and talk for an hour each call. Think of it as a UPS on your computer. The computer must remain on in order for you to be able to walk up and use it. Same for the equipment the batteries are powering. Power is being drawn from the batteries even though the lines aren't in use. -- FWD#: 223611 | |
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@144.226.x.x | Go thru a hurricane and lose power (for miles and miles) for 5-6 days and you will wish you had a copper line WORKING phone as well. | |
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join:2006-06-02 Chesapeake, VA
| VZ services much of the east coast, and hurricanes have knocked out the power for as long as 3 days. (Some places were down for 2 weeks.)
Relative from out of state get very concerned during hurricanes and they call often. that's when you power down your cellphone til your landline dies. | |
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join:2003-01-15 Columbus, OH
| I want FIOS though I can't get it. I like new technology. But if the CUSTOMER wants to keep his copper line too, then so it should be. You say the FIOS backup battery is only $25, but you were telling people to get a UPS, while there may be some cheaper sources for UPS batteries than direct from the manufacture, they're still going to be more than $25. And maybe some people don't want to use cheap batteries for something that's so important. How much is a battery for an APC 1000VA UPS?
Where I live the power goes out far too often, more than a few times a year. But I've never known my phone line to be out, it always seems to be working when the power is out.
The last UPS I got, the battery in it died in less than a year. I got a warranty replacement, now that one is dead too.
Clearly, FIOS to the house has been around for far less time than copper phone lines and thus we simply can't relatively judge it's reliability compared to copper lines. | |
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join:2003-08-16 Stratford, CT
| same ole debates. Whats funny, is the people who are complaining here may already have their landline on a battery backup supplied by verizon... not powered from the C.O
From here to eternity some expect Verizon to maintain two sets of wire networks, GET A CLUE people. If having 2 weeks of backup telephone service is really THAT important to you, buy a small gasoline generator.
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  pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Same Old Story... You get FIOS you lose copper. Tough luck. No amount of reposting of this story is going to change that. -- Tancredo 2008! | |
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@recorporatelaw.com | FiOS and POTS I have FiOS with my POTS line intact. They never even touched it during the install. In my state they are prohibited from touching the NID box because of the different phone carriers that are availible here. | |
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join:2006-01-27 Port Orange, FL | If I'm not mistaken.. If an article is attached to the house or premises, does it not legally belong to the homeowner? In reply to johnsp-what do you think is going to happen tothe tower that relays your cell signal during(after) a tornado or hurricane? | |
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join:2005-11-01 Midlothian, VA | Re: If I'm not mistaken.. No you dont own your power meter or gas meter or the telco termination boxes. You are responsible for them in the event you maliciously destroy or tamper with them. | |
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join:2004-09-23 | Re: If I'm not mistaken.. and that's why they are outside...so the owing company's employees can have access to them at any time. | |
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  dcurrey Premium join:2004-06-29 | Cordless phones need power. How many people only have cordless phones that only work when the power is on. I can't tell you how many people I know don't have a single wired phone on the house. | |
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join:2005-06-13 Coldwater, MI | Dumb So is this the BRR theory of "If we post the exact same story over and over again enough we can maybe make an issue of it"?
I swear, this same news story gets posted about once a week. | |
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| Re: Dumb said by Primis1 :So is this the BRR theory of "If we post the exact same story over and over again enough we can maybe make an issue of it"? I swear, this same news story gets posted about once a week. Ehh, it's just more FUD. The American "media" is the world's best at that.  -- We want the Republicans out of our bedroom and the Democrats out of our wallet and both out of our First and Second Amendment rights." - Alan Nathan | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| said by Primis1 :So is this the BRR theory of "If we post the exact same story over and over again enough we can maybe make an issue of it"? I swear, this same news story gets posted about once a week. Yep. lol | |
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  pmurdock Paul Murdock
join:2001-09-13 Riverton, UT | Solar panel at outside demarc An easy solution would be to incorporate a small solar panel on the outside that could recharge a small battery bank to keep the phones up and running.. this could be a totally self sustaining thing quite easily accomplished.
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | Re: Solar panel at outside demarc It needs to be more powerful than the ONT since it needs to charge the battery for night time but thats a damn good idea. Or my more crazy idea of powering the ONT by sending power from the decomissioned phone line. | |
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  QuaffAPint A Big Thanks To The Troops
join:2001-01-10 Downingtown, PA clubs: 
| POTS loses power too... We lost power for 28 hours here recently - we currently have POTS (I'm actually getting FIOS installed tomorrow) - and a non-cordless phone.
While the FIOS users did lose their phone in a 'short time', we lost use of the POTS line as well - it just took longer - I guess the CO just ran out of power.
We lose power here all the time - my plan is to go buy a spare battery and switch it in and out monthly to always have a good backup battery.
Of course during those 28 hours, we pretty much relied on cell phones anyway, so I don't know how critical it is to keep the land line up and running other than for the peace of mind when it comes to 911. -- FunnyandFun.com - Have a Blast and a Laugh... | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | Re: POTS loses power too... You were probably on a RT or your line was damaged physically, who is your phone company? | |
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join:2001-01-10 Downingtown, PA clubs:  | Re: POTS loses power too... Verizon | |
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join:2000-10-02 Export, PA | When All Else Fails... Amateur Radio!
And this is exactly why hams have been complaining about BPL. Lose your landline and your cell connection, and who will you turn to? | |
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join:2002-01-03 Schererville, IN | Use a cellphone. Just use your cellphone, I know mine will last days on a full charge. And if you turn it off when not talking on it will last way longer than any power outage. | |
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@the-beach.net | Re: Use a cellphone. Get solar powered panels because unless the sun dies out you will still have plenty of power for powering any device | |
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@swbell.net
| Great discussion, I've been looking for this for awhile. Been debating ATT Uverse or staying on DSL and the resilience of each in a power outage situation has been a factor.
My experience on the Gulf coast is that the DSL stays up with the phone lines during extended outages.
Most if not all the lines in our neighborhoods are buried all the way back to the CO. That means we've got fairly good odds of keeping that phone line up through wind events given the backup power at the CO.
Granted this requires having a small generator at the residence. From what I'm reading here...the Uverse fiber into the neighborhood will likely go dark due to that battery dying within a day or so.
Whereas the RT into this neighborhood I KNOW is on both battery and a building generator do to it's co-location so that phone line with DSL ought to be pretty robust in comparison. | |
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 |   R4M0N Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04 Glen Allen, VA | Re: Great discussion, I've been looking for this for awhile. The same generator you will have to use to power that DSL modem will power your FIOS equipment in the house. I think you're not totally abreast of how FIOS works. | |
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join:2001-11-15 Odessa, FL | pots over copper When I had my FIOS installed, I requested to have V* leave my copper pots line active. They did! Just ask!! -- The Light Pipe is the Right Pipe !!! | |
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Thanks NV -- Abortion: Improves the Gene Pool! | |
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join:2001-11-15 Odessa, FL
| Re: pots over copper Beautiful, sunny Tampa, Florida. Odessa, Florida really, zip 33556. They tried to move my landline over to Fios, but I said "No thank you, as you know I live in the hurricane capital of the world." They said "No problem" That was in the spring of '05, things might be different now. But my POTS is still on copper with my FIOS ONT on the wall right next to my Demarc which is right next to my RoadRunner Cable HSI. Nice redundancy, Huh ????!!!! -- The Light Pipe is the Right Pipe !!! | |
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join:2000-12-12 Wichita, KS | Diffrent phone provider
Here is a new question. What if you have AT&T or another provider and you want Verizon FIOS? Do they still remove the Copper line? -- BTK is guilty!!!! | |
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join:2005-03-26
| Re: Diffrent phone provider said by jsouth :Here is a new question. What if you have AT&T or another provider and you want Verizon FIOS? Do they still remove the Copper line? short answer, no they cannot interrupt another company's service. | |
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join:2004-03-09 Dallas, TX | Re: Diffrent phone provider short answer no if you have another phone service you wont get fios | |
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| Re: Diffrent phone provider said by ctaul :short answer no if you have another phone service you wont get fios Wrong. The other service has to stay on copper. Has nothing to do with your getting FiOS. | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | AT&T is a CLEC in non-SBC areas. So you can have AT&T in Verizon land. | |
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join:2000-08-30 Vernon Hills, IL clubs:
| Fiber backup only 8 hours After hurricane Rita My parents' place (along with the surrounding area) in S. Fla had no power for about a week. The only way I could contact my parents was via cell phone. So the Cell phone towers must have diesel generators.
Even though it's not advertised as "Fios", most of the phone service in my parents immediate area is delivered to the tower in front of the house via fiber, and then converted to copper. My parents quickly found this out when they lost phone service exactly 8 hours after the storm hit (B.S. said on their website that the lines were 'powered in the swale' and the backup only lasts 8 hours). Cell service was out initially too... but this was due to physical damage to the towers in the area. They (AT&T or T-mobile... not sure whos it was) had at least one cell tower fixed with in 24 hours of the storm.
When my parents' power came back on after a week, they still didn't have phone service because the spot where the fiber was powered still had no power. It took 10 days to get power back to the fiber that supplied my parents' neighborhood.
During this entire time, my grandmother who lives about 5 miles away (10 miles by car) in an older high-rise building, had uninterrupted phone service, as her building and neighborhood was older and still had un-upgraded POTS service. | |
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join:2005-10-03 Montgomery Village, MD
| No more whining! Most ppl who have FIOS will have a cell phone. I understand the nature of FIOS in an emergency and my cell is my first backup. Knowing the closest pay phone (which can always dial 911, no charge) is another backup. But as others have said, if power has been out for that long then there's greater problems. Rely on your cell phone in situations like that. Have a prepaid calling card for emergencies only so you can use a pay phone.
In this time post 9/11 and Katrina, we now have to think of these things. I'm not relying on the government to take care of my and my family. We will have a plan. | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY
| Re: No more whining! said by millerja01a :Most ppl who have FIOS will have a cell phone. I understand the nature of FIOS in an emergency and my cell is my first backup. Knowing the closest pay phone (which can always dial 911, no charge) is another backup. But as others have said, if power has been out for that long then there's greater problems. Rely on your cell phone in situations like that. Have a prepaid calling card for emergencies only so you can use a pay phone. In this time post 9/11 and Katrina, we now have to think of these things. I'm not relying on the government to take care of my and my family. We will have a plan. What if the payphone runs on a RT or on FIOS? Ive lost faith in any govt or corporation being able to provide service. Its cheaper to let the system fail with defered maintenence then put all your workers into overtime to justify a rate hike. | |
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join:2000-10-04 Glen Allen, VA
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1 edit | pots schmots.... I haven't had a need for my POTS line since 2001. We "survived" Isabel without a POTS line, we had no water and no power for over 24hrs. Electric heat, stove, internet, all down.
Opened up the windows, kept the fridge door closed as much as I could and enjoyed a day without work.
I did have an emergency, but that was taken care of with a trip to the bathroom. | |
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join:2001-02-20 NY | Re: pots schmots.... WOW without juice for a WHOLE 24 hours I'm -uh- impressed LOL | |
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join:2000-10-04 Glen Allen, VA | Re: pots schmots.... hence the "survived" within quotes.  | |
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join:2005-07-08 K2P OW2
| Re: pots schmots.... Exactly!
People survived a long time without the phone and power (many thousands of years)... i think we can make it a couple of days without power and phone service. Most of the people in this thread are neglecting the fact that if there is a major, (and i mean major) emergency, what makes you so sure that the fire, ambulance or police won't have better things to do then attend to you sitting by your phone whether it be powered or not. | |
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join:2001-11-17 Carrollton, TX | Must be a real slow day or another reason to bash the LEC's I wonder is they plan to do similar write ups on VOIP and Digital voice from the cable companies. What the back up option on the majority of the other options. | |
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join:2000-10-04 Glen Allen, VA
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1 edit | Re: Must be a real slow day or another reason to bash the LEC's That would require common sense... Too much to ask nowadays.
This whole thread is about people who don't educate themselves on the pros and cons of a technology and then use the "nobody told me about it" defense when doodoo hits the fan and they are caught with their thums up their behinds. | |
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| I dont think Ive ever heard of Vonage or Comcast removing a copper line from someones house or stating they coudlnt STILL KEEP their current telco provider.
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join:2004-09-07 Brooklyn, NY | Re: Must be a real slow day or another reason to bash the LEC's Becuase vonage dont own any pots lines or comcast. | |
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join:2000-10-04 Glen Allen, VA | Re: No power with fios that's why their bitching LOL  | |
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join:2002-04-05 Jamaica, NY | Ive thought about getting generic power out of a phone line, i guess its happy but that sight looks slightly quack-ish. Atleast now i kno it possible, not sure for how long b4 the telco shuts off the line for acting weird. | |
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| Lightning Here is something you don't hear many people talk about on a positive side of fiber. Electric current cannot travel via the fiber line. Thus, lightning suppression is a major advantage fiber has over its copper counterparts. If technology change and Verizon was taking out fiber to put in another type of metal that allowed lightning strikes to enter the home there would be a thread against it just like this one. | |
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