Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK | VoIP is a step down from POTS
I'm not sure why so many companies are banking on VoIP to be the next killer app
it's slick, but it's not as reliable as POTS, and generally has slightly lesser quality |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | Uh oh, now youre in trouble. Here comes all the VoIP cheerleaders to try to disillusion everyone into thinking voIP is more RELIABLE than POTS.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| The internet - it's not for everything.
Soon, people might learn that the internet, as it is today, is for surfing the web. It's too young to try to cram everything down the "tubes"...
Right now, C Voip providers are nothing more than data.. data is data, period.
The I providers have it right. They will have the ability to provide a quality voip product (so some just don't get it) because they can operate on a last mile / private network set up. They can control the quality on their own last mile, while seeing that the data travels on a clear path to the other end as close as possible.
The more and more crap that people try to put on the internet, today, the more we are going to hear the cry for anti-net nutrality.
Also, people need to learn how to let things regarding the net mature before giving it full responsibility. I look at it as giving an 18 year old a drink of liquor.. they may be an adult, but not quite ready to handle the drink. |
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TKJunkMail
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|  Sounds like the VOIP results make a case for 2-Tier internet
the decline in VoIP quality is due to VoIP services being forced to share bandwidth with other greedy applications such as video & music downloads and interactive gaming. Looks like there is a need for some QOS rules and maybe the building of a 2 tier internet. One for the regular bulk download internet and another one for real time applications like VOIP and Gaming.
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reub2000
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| said by TKJunkMail  :the decline in VoIP quality is due to VoIP services being forced to share bandwidth with other greedy applications such as video & music downloads and interactive gaming. Looks like there is a need for some QOS rules and maybe the building of a 2 tier internet. One for the regular bulk download internet and another one for real time applications like VOIP and Gaming. How do you suppose that the routers on the internet should differentiate between VoIP and bulk data?
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TKJunkMail
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| said by reub2000 :How do you suppose that the routers on the internet should differentiate between VoIP and bulk data? You modify the VOIP msg standards and put a flag on it so that QOS can be applied.
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LegoPower77
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join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA
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Re: The internet - it's not for everything.
I was gonna say, this appears to make the case for "anti-net neutrality."
And why shouldn't it? Price discrimination is a part of everyday life from airplane tickets to grocery coupons. Why should the government force FedEx to provide (and me to buy) only next day air delivery at a premium cost? It's good they have that option available, but I'm happy with 2 week ground shipping. Why can't pipe providers be allowed to price according to the individual customers' demands?
I think people get so passionate about "net neutrality" because they rightly see that if the content providers get charged a premium they will pass the cost onto us.
So it's either an egalitarian net where things work ok, or one where premium data, such as VoIP, gets treated VIP. What's the problem?
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Big Dawg 23
join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN | reply to fiberguy
I have ATT CV and it is very reliable. My internet from Charter is always on. 4-6 Outages in 3.5yrs is very good. Two of the outages were related to Damaged equipment by crashed cars. |
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace
1 edit | reply to ITALIAN926
Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS
I'm not here saying VoIP has the same 99.9% reliability as a POTS line but it definitely is as reliable as a typical cell phone... not to mention loads cheaper. It COULD theoretically be much more reliable if voice and video packets were prioritized over others but then we get into the whole Net Neutrality debate. I think voice and video SHOULD be prioritized, HOWEVER it should be ALL voice and video packets and equally... this should be written into law so that voice and video can be prioritized while ISP's such as Comcast and AT&T wouldn't be able to prioritize their own voice and video packets over anybody else's (unless their's run on their private network that is not shared with other content). If that were to happen, then I'd say we should prioritize then. |
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zipjay
join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY | testyourvoip.com
i never figured out how exactly testyourvoip.com tests anything.. i just tested it a second ago and i dont even have voip and it gave me a rateing.. what does it do just test your net connection latency to a voip server? |
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uther
join:2001-12-04
Saint Louis, MO
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Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS
I threw away a bunch of phones when I was a SBC POTS subscriber thinking that the phone was the source of poor audio quality... When I switched to Vonage... I was also using another phone that I was about to throw away because of the same reason.. Plugged it into the Vonage VOIP router... audio quality was about 2-3x better than POTS. I wish I could get those other phones back....
Just an experience I wanted to share with you and let you know your statement isn't 100% true.
Uther
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ptrowski
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join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
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Re: testyourvoip.com
It just simulates a call. Did you read anything on their website?
So, how does it work?
Glad you asked. TestYourVoIP.com is supported by a VoIP performance management system from Brix Networks. The Brix System consists of distributed test points called Verifiers that communicate with, and are managed by, a centralized server application called BrixWorx.
We installed appliance-based Verifiers, that emulate very-busy, multi-line phones, in the network in locations such as Boston and London. The Java applet on your PC makes a call using the SIP call-signaling protocol to one of these Verifiers. The Verifier answers the call and then measures the quality of the "conversation." BrixWorx assembles all of the test results and provides you with the nifty graphs and tables you see when your test is completed.
Using the unique Brix Tri-Q Analysis, TestYourVoIP.com measures each of the three important quality axes:
Signaling Quality: Call setup performance
Delivery Quality: Call stream performance
Call Quality: Overall voice quality and call experience |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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yep bingo!
All the "test" does is pretty much sends the voip packets watching for delay and packet loss.
As a gamer, connection quality has always been important to me. Just because web browsing works on a connection doesn't mean it has good latency or stability. VOIP, like games, require a quality connection. |
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Jim Gurd
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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
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Re: Sounds like the VOIP results make a case for 2-Tier internet
said by TKJunkMail :You modify the VOIP msg standards and put a flag on it so that QOS can be applied. I'm sure that could be hacked quite easily. |
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Non-Story
Wow... I wonder what Hans Brix Networks would find if it benchmarked average website load times. OMG! They might find that sometimes they might load more slowly than other times! QUICK!! SEND IN FEMA!!!!!
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reub2000
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
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Re: Sounds like the VOIP results make a case for 2-Tier internet
said by TKJunkMail :said by reub2000 :How do you suppose that the routers on the internet should differentiate between VoIP and bulk data? You modify the VOIP msg standards and put a flag on it so that QOS can be applied. So what's to keep a spammer from applying this flag to their messages?
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rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL | reply to Tikker_LoS
Re: VoIP is a step down from POTS
Vonage's stock in a LOSER! $17 down to $6.94 a share.
Ummm, I think Wall Street thinks VOIP sucks. FTTN and FIOS is the future on IP switches (something more techie than I know about but sounds good) not Vonage type apps.
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ifarrell
join:2000-08-10
Willow Spring, NC
·Vonage
1 edit | reply to LinuxJunkie
said by LinuxJunkie :.........It COULD theoretically be much more reliable if voice and video packets were prioritized over others but then we get into the whole Net Neutrality debate........ Well I guess that would mean VoIP would go down the Tubes like a Dump Truck??? 
In my case Vonage works, well, OK. But in the last week or so I have had a few more dropped calls than normal even during off-peak hours.
I'd trust my Mobile Phone before VoIP but at least it's cheap and you get what you pay for at the end of the day. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
4 edits | Yeah, right!
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I don't have VoIP! 
As a matter of fact, I have Digital Phone service, but this test cannot connect to it.
Ask Cheese69 how good my CPD is. 
Using the simulation from me to San Jose and getting a "3.8" on their test is still bogus!
My connection, over all protocols, is - shall we say, Great!
I call bullshit on this test site! 
Detailed results(pic #2)
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT | What digital phone service |
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