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If you junked all those slow DSL lines running 256k connections and went with only 1.5 or higher, cable would probably be smoking DSL.
If you want to truly measure how "good" the USA is see how many 6 meg or higher subs there are. | |
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| | | | Re: Honestly But that would indicate fairly paltry coverage and the FCC would be forced to slap the knuckles of the people who comp them Vegas airline tickets. That would be unacceptable. | |
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| |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
join:2003-11-11
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kudos:1 | said by rachelsfx:Yep. If you junked all those slow DSL lines running 256k connections and went with only 1.5 or higher, cable would probably be smoking DSL. If you want to truly measure how "good" the USA is see how many 6 meg or higher subs there are. Like the 6 meg line I was supposed to be getting from Comcast that was, in all actuality, a 2.7 meg line.
And yes, I checked the signal strength, tweaked my system, replaced my router, blah blah blah. All I got out of Comcast was 2.7 meg and a bill for $46 at the end of the month.
My DSL connection is $26/mo, and I get 3 megs down from them (for real!) and better upstream speed.
Same speed for close to half the price, sounds like a deal to me....
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| | | | Exactly. I also have a sneaky feeling the telco's are including ISDN connections (Yes, they still exist) as 'broadband'.
The FCC's 200Kbps definition and classification as an 'advanced service line' is laughable. | |
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| | | | | Re: Honestly ISDN200k ergo it's not counted.
A lot of people only want the cheapest connection which is where 768k and 256k come in. If they sold 56k DSL at 10$ a month we'd see people getting it. Most Americans just want basic internet and speed is not important to them outside of surfing. | |
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join:2002-08-06
Spokane, WA | hehe FCC wants to define my old wimpy dsl as advanced and you all want to define it as nothing.
I am thinking we need a definition that gets my old 640k in the middle  | |
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| | | | Re: Honestly said by Bytezboy:why do I see cable compared with dsl so often on the front page here? Does anyone really care? pffff For some reason, yes. It's like Chevy/Ford or Intel/AMD. People get behind one or the other and cheer it on like it's their son at a litle league game. Some of them are quite fanatical.
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Mount Joy, PA | The numbers By looking at the numbers(depending on accurate data), the cable companies probably could benefit from having a lower priced/lower speed tier. I'd take a million customers at $30 or less than not have them at all. 
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| Re: The numbers said by Jovi:By looking at the numbers(depending on accurate data), the cable companies probably could benefit from having a lower priced/lower speed tier. I'd take a million customers at $30 or less than not have them at all. Many cable companies do have a lower tier, but they don't advertise it and only offer it if people are cancelling due to price, it seems.
I believe that cable fears if they advertise their cheaper lines, then they'll lose more customers off of their $40/mo plan than they would gain by advertising their $30/mo plan, regardless of the massive speed cut between the services.
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| | | | Re: The numbers Yeah, mine has a "low tier", 128k / 128k. Problem is, it is only $10 cheaper than the "regular" tier. Now wonder they don't advertise it! | |
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| | | | | Re: The numbers said by pabster:Yeah, mine has a "low tier", 128k / 128k. Problem is, it is only $10 cheaper than the "regular" tier. Now wonder they don't advertise it! OTOH, if all you want is 24/7 email and access to the occasional web page to check weather or book an airline ticket, its just the ticket.
Cable and telcos don't advertise such packages for two reasons - they are afraid they will cannibalize their higher cost packages and they dilute their Average Revenue per Unit (ARPU) numbers that Wall Street is so fond of. | |
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| Re: The numbers Yeah, 128kbps service might be fine for occasional web surfing and e-mail. But why would I pay only $10 less than their "regular" tier for it? I'd be far better off (price wise) with either a cheap dial-up account (which can oft be had for less than $10 a month) or an entry-level DSL offering, both considerably cheaper.
Perhaps the other carriers don't operate the same way, I have no idea. I was surprised they weren't offering 128kbps for like $20 or $25 a month. I certainly wouldn't pay any more than that. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: The numbers Cox is 256/256 in my area for their $30 tier. In ares with Verizon its 768 down instead of 256. | |
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| | | | | my cableco has a low tier, they call it 6meg, you get 3meg at best!!!!!!! | |
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| | | | | | Re: The numbers My company's lowest tier is 10/2...Verizon Fios....and this is dedicated bandwidth (all mine), not shared like yours is...so stay on the point of this topic, point being that this is a total BS report by the FCC. And who cares if DSL has more penetration than cable or vice versa. Broadband should be more readily available and more widespread than it is now. If they are going to take the USF from us, they should make some better use of it. | |
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| | | | |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: The numbers said by docchat:My company's lowest tier is 10/2...Verizon Fios....and this is dedicated bandwidth (all mine), not shared like yours is...so stay on the point of this topic, point being that this is a total BS report by the FCC. And who cares if DSL has more penetration than cable or vice versa. Broadband should be more readily available and more widespread than it is now. If they are going to take the USF from us, they should make some better use of it. BS!
any type of connection is shared at some point along the way
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| | | | | | | | Re: The numbers It's shared back to the node. Makes a difference if there's heavy node saturation.
I'm not familiar enough with PON architecture to make a statement about it. | |
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| | | | | | | | The shared factor only matters if your area is oversold. If your area is not oversold, cable by far destroys dsl. I currently have 6mbit comcast cable internet and 1.5mbit AT&T dsl. The dsl is always sluggish when doing anything and I am not referring to the slower download speed. If you max out your upload bandwidth on dsl your downloads suffer a lot and ping times shoot through the roof. With comcast I can max out the upload and download and still surf pretty decently. Not to mention normal web surfing is really fast now that they have speed boost.
Although because of price I only have comcast for the summer because they offer it for 20 bucks a month for the first 4 months. | |
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Banks, OR | Zip code criterion bogus, and they know it ... 'like in my zip code. Only a tiny portion has broadband, yet the whole area is counted as "served".
The problem is, the FCC has great incentive to use the most optimistic, highly misleading metric possible, and that gives them the most chance of avoiding the "immediate action" directive in the Telecomm Act. Since they get to choose which metric they use, they are naturally going to pick the one that gives them the greatest chance ofr having to do nothing. | |
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| | Now u see it... now u dont What happened to the " DSL TRUMPS CABLE " headline? Aww, did the pro-cable admin of this site realize the headline wasnt so PRO-CABLE ??
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join:2002-12-16
Niles, OH
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1 edit | How about... ...the FCC take charge on companies like AT&T for totally sending project pronto down the pooper? If they're really concerned about broadband they'll take this analysis and shove it up some asses to get broadband available to every US household. By Broadband, I don't mean Hughesnet, that in my book isn't broadband it's just dial-up on steroids.
EDIT: And commenting on the zip code thing that is B.S. Most of my zip code,44436, is covered by Adelphia cable and a very small slither by Armstrong cable. Then about a quarter of us stuck with Rapid Cable who has yet to upgrade the system. And most of the people stuck with Rapid Cable are out of range for DSL because AT&T is too damn cheap to upgrade the RT on New Castle Rd. which would solve that problem. I say most because probably about 10 houses right when Adelphia ends still qualify for DSL, though service is unreliable due to distance.
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1 edit | Re: How about... Should we even mention that the FCC is meeting the letter but not the spirit of the law by releasing these bogus reports. "Lies, d@m^ lies, and statistics" | |
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join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX | FCC is doing its bidding to hide broken promises by Telcos They give false illusions so as to give competitive environment and give the impression telcos have done all they promised years ago to get those monopoly deals (like exclusion of CLECs from facilities, etc).
As long as FCC is owned by Telcos this ridiculous situation is unlikely to change. | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | FCC should be invastigated and indicted... ... for corruption, dealing with influence etc.
This - Martin-led - and the last one - Powell-led - are the two most corrupt FCC eras ever.
The system is totally broken. Disband this circus and set up a completely new system. | |
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