pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Ed Whitacre Needs New Shoes
Man, he sure keeps stepping in it!
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| That's Exactly What I Want....
said by Whitacre :
“some people” want AT&T to act as a “dumb pipe that just keeps getting bigger and bigger."
That's what I want, I don't want any of your other crap.
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
 ·epix
| Nobody Gets a Free Ride
Whitacre complained that quote:
“some people” want AT&T to act as a “dumb pipe that just keeps getting bigger and bigger."
Every time Whiteacre opens his pie hole and speaks, he proves himself, "dumber and dumber.
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chesney09
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join:2004-07-26
Redford, MI
clubs:
| reply to pnh102
Re: Ed Whitacre Needs New Shoes
I'd swear.. everyone is already paying for access to those pipes.. .
I pay a monthly fee just like anyone else that has internet access.. be it business, residential, etc.. We all have to pay for the access to the Information Super highway.. Some of us require faster speeds and more bandwidth, which is reflected in the price!
If they want more money from me, they should really learn how to just provide customer service and not treat them like WE NEED THEM. I think if their customers were happy with the service and Customer Service as a whole.. They would be in a better position and probably make more revenue. Instead they choose to come up with some wackassed ways to create revenue that they really are justified to get. |
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Mr Anon
@172.16.x.x
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tsu9 
| Wha?
Maybe he hasn't noticed this little thing called customers, you know the ones that send you money every month for the services you bring into their house/businesses.
Just because the government double taxes and over charges doesn't mean that its a practice that should happen. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
 ·Charter Pipeline
| Take Ed's threats seriously
With SBC getting AT&T's network, Ed can say and spout anything he wants because, not only does he control the last mile, he controls the backbone as well. He can travel his own network without handing off data to a peer across nearly the entire Internet.
It's scary to hear him continue to speak like this because he has the network to back up his words. This will eventually become a competition of "who has a lower tariff", AT&T or Verizon.
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rmdir
join:2003-03-13
Chicago, IL | solution
AT&T just needs to build more of those tubes, that's all. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: Take Ed's threats seriously
said by DaSneaky1D :He can travel his own network without handing off data to a peer across nearly the entire Internet. Thats not accurate or true at all. |
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kcir
join:2005-07-30
Butner, NC
| reply to pnh102
Re: Ed Whitacre Needs New Shoes
Is AT+T giving away free DSL to subscribers? If no, aren't they paying for the content? Do other competing companies subscribers not want that content so they don't have ATTs problem? Or is it just that ATT is so poorly run they can't offer the same price/value as their competitors? |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to chesney09
said by chesney09 :I'd swear.. everyone is already paying for access to those pipes.. . I pay a monthly fee just like anyone else that has internet access.. be it business, residential, etc.. We all have to pay for the access to the Information Super highway.. Some of us require faster speeds and more bandwidth, which is reflected in the price! No kidding. I am surprised Whitacre's comments haven't sparked a shareholder revolt. This kind of posturing might make AT&T's broadband investments worthless!
I have a small personal website and I am damned sure that I will never pay a nickel to any ISP for the privilege of their customers to see it. I pay for hosting. As far as I am concerned, that's all I should have to pay.
I really do hope that content providers grant AT&T's wish. Companies like Google, Yahoo, Vonage, etc. should degrade traffic to customers from AT&T-owned IP addresses, and/or redirect web requests from those IPs to pages which advertise alternative ISPs.
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
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join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
·AT&T Southeast
| He has a pont
He has a point, but we as consumers don't want to realize it. DSL prices get cheaper and speeds get faster, while more subscribers are signing up requiring a bigger backbone, that data has to flow through someone, and that is increasingly becoming AT&T throughout most of the country. I don't see anywhere in that article that the consumers are footing the bill or prices are going to rise, though I'm sure we will foot the bill either way,l but we are also the consumers wanting more, and I've never been able to truly get more for less money. Interesting article and it looks like the writer actually took a neutral stance on the report. That isn't found much, especially on this site. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to kcir
Re: Ed Whitacre Needs New Shoes
said by kcir :Or is it just that ATT is so poorly run they can't offer the same price/value as their competitors? I don't think anyone can credibly describe a company which renames its wireless division to the same name that it chucked mere months ago as being well run.
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odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
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join:2001-08-05
Norcross, GA
clubs: | Get it right man.... They are TUBES! a Scientist said so.
You may be dumb... but your pipes are not. |
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Jim Gurd
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join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI
·Comcast
| reply to Mizzat
Re: He has a pont
said by Mizzat :while more subscribers are signing up requiring a bigger backbone, Well they are getting more new monthly fees from these new subscribers. That's what pays for the expansion of the backbone. If their price is too low to be profitable then they need to increase the rate they charge end users.
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aztecnology
O Rly?
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join:2003-02-12
Murrieta, CA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to pnh102
Re: Ed Whitacre Needs New Shoes
said by pnh102 :said by kcir :Or is it just that ATT is so poorly run they can't offer the same price/value as their competitors? I don't think anyone can credibly describe a company which renames its wireless division to the same name that it chucked mere months ago as being well run. I don't think you should be talking about credibility, when you don't know what your're talking about...
AT&T Wireless was spun off from the former AT&T in 2001.
Cingular(SBC 60 / BellSouth 40) buys AT&T Wireless in 2004.
SBC buys AT&T in 2005. SBC becomes at&t.
The new at&t buys BellSouth in 2006.
at&t gains 100% control of Cingular. Changes name to at&t wireless
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Primis1
join:2005-06-13
Coldwater, MI
| reply to chesney09
said by chesney09 :I'd swear.. everyone is already paying for access to those pipes.. . I pay a monthly fee just like anyone else that has internet access.. be it business, residential, etc.. We all have to pay for the access to the Information Super highway.. Some of us require faster speeds and more bandwidth, which is reflected in the price! Here's the thing some of you don't understand though:
Just because you pay $x-amount/mo. for your current access does not mean you DESERVE a higher tier as though it were some sort of right. And just because Developer Y wants to have Product Z on the market that is web-intensive doesn't mean the providers have to give them the time of day so they can.
All of us WANT higher speeds at the same or lower prices. It can't happen forever though, and eventually someone is going to have to pay for constant expansion. It's not fair to bash the telecos and cablecos for "not keeping up" -- maybe people should instead focus on software developers and engineers and find out why they can't be more-efficient witht he bandwidth we have *now* instead of the bloat.
That's what I don't get -- why it's all the providers' fault and all these people trying to make elaborate web-based apps (many of which are flat-out unnecessary and require way more overhead than they should) have nobody to answer to. it' snot "progress", it's scapegoating... |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to aztecnology
And the short version of that story is that if you started as an AT&T Wireless customer, you became Cingular customer, and now you will be an AT&T Wireless customer again. Why not keep the Cingular name? Why throw away all the money spent building up the name from scratch, along with all the money spent integrating former AT&T Wireless customers into Cingular? Cingular has some serious issues with services in some regions. Wouldn't it be better to spend the money that would be going into rebranding the company yet again on service upgrades instead?
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qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX
| You Know....
I think I'd rather just go ahead and have "tiers" based on number of gigs per month that all this QOS crap. Seem simpler in the long run. Of course they would have to change their advertising of "Unlimited Service", but so what?
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cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
·Verizon FIOS
| Gee...T E...
I would venture that all those prices for DS3, OC12 and up aren't enough? Multiply those times the companies that lease the lines, monthly, and that is alot of cash for something that hardly requires maintenance copper does (Activating dark fiber is not as costly as perceived. It's already there, and considering they keep figuring out compression and ways to get more signal on a strand of glass...)
Tubes! Vee must activate zee tubes, ya? |
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rameus
Bad Craziness
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join:2001-01-28
Martinez, CA
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·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Mizzat
Re: He has a pont
I agree. The equipment, tools, material and labor to install & maintain that kink of network infrastructure are not cheap. If I were Ed I'd want to see a return on my company's investments.
Let us not forget when PacBell deployed ADSL for market trials in '97, it was calculated that each new DSL turned up, Pacbell would not break even for 7 years. And that was for a single static IP @ 384/128 for $79.95 a month.
Granted the CPE prices have dropped dramatically but the core equipment has not.
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