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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| AT&T Will Pay Me then We'll then AT&T can pay me for their customers getting a free ride on my web servers. Fair is fair.
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| amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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| Ding Ding Ding!!! "Ed's too busy not looking at putting money back into the network to keep up with demand." - fiberguy
we have a winner here!!!
So....what have they done with all their revenue from DSL all these years??? Surely these people called.. uhm, customers, have paid them enough over the years to recoup costs on most things yes??? I just don't get it.
I'm not going to pay these chumps ANYTHING for simply passing through their paths!
I paid GoDaddy, and I pay my ISP, who in turn, pays MaBell or whoever, I don't know, or care, where Cox gets routed off to as long as it's as fast as they say it should be!
So fans go to site, see nifty pictures etc. and can download a song or two of ours, those bits travel through magical "TUBES" and eventually erupt out of another computer's speakers like a backed up toilet, spewing forth oodles of sonic goodness. That person also had to pay their ISP (or their Grandma did!) about $50/month for an internet link.
1. So, I paid GoDaddy, they pay Ma-Bell.
2. Tubes get filled with poop (or, "content" such as music).
3. Some person out there, across the street, or across the
continent, or on the other side of the WORLD, pays their
piper.
4. Data is delivered.
...5. YOU ALREADY MADE MONEY ON BOTH ENDS!!!!!!!!!!
End of fracking story Ed! YOU don't give me my music, I GIVE IT TO YOU AND THE WORLD. I PAY for it to be hosted, AND DELIVERED to YOU and ANYONE else who wants to check it out.
I give YOU "Content" and you want to hand me, or my hosting co., or an ISP another bill???
Tell you what, I will flush that bill right down the "TUBES" in my house.
Go unclog your brain "TUBES" and buy a freaking clue instead of a shiny new car or more drugs, which seem to cloud your judgement. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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3 edits | AT&T Gracious Charity Wow! I was un-aware that AT&T carries all that traffic for FREE out of the GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS to benefit the rest of humanity! I had no idea that AT&T considers itself a non-profit charity! Wow! How nice of them.....
Wait! Are they SURE about this... after all.... I was kinda under the impression that I PAY monthly fees and that hosting companies PAY monthly fees and that websites and content companies PAY fees and ISP's pay fees and in fact everybody pays fees to bandwidth providers like AT&T?
In fact, I'm pretty positive that THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS and they make good money doing it! So, what Ed Whitacre is saying is "We should provide nothing, no service, no hardware, nadda. We should force everybody else to pay for all our expenses and network out of their pocket, while we just keep the assets and make billions in toll charges for letting people use the assets that they will pay to build."
Or: To put it another way:
"We want a business where we have to invest no capital, take no risks, never have to build out,innovate, or expand anything.... BUT we wanna be there to take in everyone's bills and make mega profit."
Amazing how the special air in the rarified atmosphere of the mega-paid CEO can totally distort brainwaves and logical thinking.
Oh look: Not a charity, but extremely profitable company. I guess Ed just wants to match Exxon.
AT&T Quarterly Profits Rise 81 percent
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060725/ap_···rns_at_t | |
| | amungus
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join:2004-11-26
America
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| Re: AT&T Gracious Charity according to that article...
57.3 million subscribers....... ok...
and so many of these (copper) phone lines are HOW old????? Those lines are paid for.
Much of the equipment is paid for. Much of the bandwidth, is paid for.
..."Why would a Wookiee—an eight foot tall Wookiee—want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!" | |
| bozobatiste
join:2006-08-02
Port Angeles, WA
| A balance needs to be struck. As the owner of a wholesale ISP that owns it's own pipes
I do not beleive in absolute net neutrality for the following reasons.
Sometimes there are intranet work applications such as security etc that need to be prioritiezed.
Sometimes the best way to resolve a dispute is to block the sites until the problem is resolve.
Example We had a problem with VONAGE earlier this year in which their local exchange was having issues. And it was generating hundreds of calls a day to our tech support team. (costing thousands of dollars I might add.)
After speaking with VONAGE 2nd Tier support they denied that there was an issue. We gave them an ultimatim to fix the issue or we would block their traffic they refused.
So we Blocked all ports with their traffic and refered all VONAGE call to them.
Turns out there was some corupted firmware on one of their boxes.
If there was absolute net nuetrality I would have been stuck with the problem without a way to get resolution.
However in closing I think what whitacre is asking for from the providor is ludicris.
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gruggni
Oxygen Gets You High
join:2003-07-28
Corpus Christi, TX
| free rides and a possible solution Wifi = free ride
Don't secure your AP, people will find it and jump on.
ISP's need to go away. Cities and towns should take over this role and provide internet to it's people. Just like fire and police belong to the city, so should the internet service. Government should provide their own network, private and seperate from city (civilian) traffic. Why would anyone allow citizens to even ping a government network.
The "ISPs" are the middle-men to the internet backbone. Let's cut the middle-man and go from city to backbone and stop wasting time and money. The money for access goes to the city, not to a third party. The city already provides your water/waste service, trash pickup, but not electricity or phone or internet. Why is that? hmmm I need to do a little more research.
I know some lobbying from ISP's has been done to prevent this kind of thing in some areas, but understand they are afraid of this from happening. This is not a new idea.
Create a wi-fi and wired city network and connect it to city's backbone connection. Who needs the ISP?
I don't see any competition over the city's water services.
But I see it for electricity, phone, cable, etc.
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| | Odie97
join:2006-04-19
Oak Creek, WI
| ED Died ! Ed Whitacre is a complete idiot with his head so deep in the sand that he cant't think straight due to lack of oxygen. An old "bell head" who should just retire and go away before he kills at&t.
I avoid buying anyt8ihgn from at&t and any of their affiliated companies because they are so blatantly stuck in old models, old thinking and dead vision. Ed needs to join the dead as far as I'm concerened!  | |
| | | Endgame
Your member at work
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join:2005-07-07
USA
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1 edit | Re: ED Died ! The at&t board should fire his stupid ass for all of his stupid assed ideas and for wanting to stay away from fios and also for milking all us poor people to death on slow crappy copper!!! 
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Give me a true 10Mbit symmetrical fiber connection for my apartment and I'll go away!  | |
| | ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| Re: free rides and a possible solution You have no sense whatsoever. you want a "city" to pay for a WIRED network ? Obviously, u are a clueless person. Lets say NYC. To build out a wired infrastructure to every single dwelling and business might cost... Hmm... quite a few BILLION dollars? get real.
LOLOL The last thing anyone should ever want is your governemt to be in contorol of everything.. your internet, telephone and video. Oh MY GOD, can you imagine what they would eventually charge ??? LOL !!
A WiFi is one thing.. but Wi-fi will never compete with wired networks. People Love their security. | |
| canuck999999
join:2004-04-19 |  Free Ride ?
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| short09
join:2006-07-21 | ....... didnt the previous at&t ceo almost bankrupt the company a few years ago. he spent $100 billion on some failed technology development. i think he was rewarded with a multi-million dollar retirement package | |
| | kc5fog
join:2005-09-09
Hitchcock, TX
| Whitacre isn't making sense. He claims that no one is going to use his pipes for free. But how is anyone using them for free?. The content isn't going across his network unless its going to a subscriber who has paid for the content at that speed level. So maybe I'm missing something but how is someone using his pipes for free ? | |
| | | ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| Re: Whitacre isn't making sense. Oh my GOD. One way or another the ISP's have to pay for upgrades. especially when you start getting into people downloading HD movies / games and such. You will have a clogged up internet !!
Why is everyone so concerned with the big companies getting charged? Its YOU directly.. or THEM. Not for nothing, but considering I dont own google stock.. or work for them, I say THEM. leave my monthly DSL cost alone. | |
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