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Comments on news posted 2006-08-02 16:42:38: It could be Ed Whitacre's worst nightmare or it might make Mike McCurry eligible for sainthood. ComputerWorld is reporting that security researcher Dan Kaminsky has developed a way to test for network neutrality. ..

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amungus
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haha

All I can do is laugh. This could get interesting if this tool does any good.

Score 1 for Mike.

shashinka

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I agree, this is a great tool to stick it to da man!


h4x0r3d
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I second that


Dennis
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Cool but doesn't sound revolutionary to me

Sounds like it's just a modified port scanner...


TKJunkMail
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 Just more useless internet traffic

Just what the internet needs - hundreds of thousands of pseudo regulators generating useless overhead on the internet trying to prove that no discrimination is going on.

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grandpinaple

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That is partially correct TK it depends on exactly how net neutrality and this tool will work. It is too early to make a judgement.


vpoko
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reply to Dennis
Re: Cool but doesn't sound revolutionary to me

said by Dennis See Profile :

Sounds like it's just a modified port scanner...
Modified is the key word here. Port scanners don't have the ability to impersonate other protocols (a port scanner can send a packet to port 80, but it's not going to be an HTTP packet). This tool also seems to have some spoofing capabilities, though I'm not sure how that would work. We'll see...


Dennis
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yeah but is it really trying to do that, or just trying to find out if an ACL was blocking that port.

pabster

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reply to TKJunkMail
Re: Just more useless internet traffic

Is that you, Ed?


vpoko
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Seems like an educated consumer is important to a healthy marketplace.

And you can blame the AT&T's of the world for starting this arms race with their suggestion of a "better busines model" for the internet.


vpoko
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reply to Dennis
Re: Cool but doesn't sound revolutionary to me

The article only says "...or is being used for a certain type of application." That could be taken to mean by port number or by the packet signature. I'm guessing (though I don't know) that he meant the latter, since otherwise it would just be a port scanner like you said and hardly news. But we shall see.


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Re: Just more useless internet traffic

Yes, we should only be allowed to have internet traffic that is related to politics or or stock market data... or wait, that wouldn't work because that truly is useless traffic. Think of the bandwidth that could be saved if all political internet traffic was outlawed!
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Re: Cool but doesn't sound revolutionary to me

Not terribly revolutionary at all. Pingplotter has similar options and has had them for awhile now:



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voip / bittorrent

I'd be more interested in being able to test voip packets, or bittorrent and other such things that some isps might have an interest in trying to block, or otherwise degrade performance. It seems to me like this app might do the trick. I'm not so sure its a new and unique idea though.
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Re: haha

said by shashinka See Profile :

I agree, this is a great tool to stick it to da man!
How about finding out the truth without predetermined thoughts?
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rgoltsch

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Re: voip / bittorrent

Now I'm just waiting for the latest update to my TOS at Verizon stating that using a tool that disguises packets is not allowed.......OK, I'm just a little cynical

Ron


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Re: Just more useless internet traffic

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Just what the internet needs - hundreds of thousands of pseudo regulators generating useless overhead on the internet trying to prove that no discrimination is going on.

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Come on, TK, with a such a tool.

Give us the honorary command.

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Re: voip / bittorrent

How could they tell? And what are they trying to hide then?

Chuck


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Tool looks for "2nd class", but will it detect "FedEx"

Right now pretty much all the traffic on the internet is "best effort".

Everybody concerned about "net neutrality" is moaning that a 2-tier system means somebody's data traffic will be demoted to "2nd class" traffic....

What if everybody's traffic is already "2nd class" because it's "best effort" and the "second tier" will be a higher priority "FedEx class"?

Will this app detect that?
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shashinka

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reply to 72276539
Re: haha

So having a tool to check is bad? Not sure I understand where you are coming from.
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