Transmaster
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Well who paid off this clown. If he were a competent engineer instead of a political hack we would not be messing with this crap at all. 
I just read the MO&O and the FCC has just stepped on a bunch of toes. How ever there is one bright spot this ruling states BPL emissions have to be 20 DB below usual type 15 emission levels.
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···73A1.doc
It will still be economics that will kill this trash technology.
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"holds great promise as a ubiquitous broadband solution that would offer a viable alternative to cable, digital subscriber line, fiber, and wireless broadband solutions" He missed satellite. So, unless I messed up my counting, we've got 5 non-interfering options for broadband deployment (all shooting for 30% market share at least in order to remain profitable) in one corner and a single option that has had almost every trial stopped due to interference issues.
What a knucklehead.
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Clown? Kevvie is the fucking Ringmaster.
If you ever needed proof that he's only interested in feathering his next nest with his current position, there you have it.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
| BPL may be good.
I looked around to see what the max speeds were:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line···er_lines
According to that it can max out at 200mbps and its symmetrical. If that is true, BPL makes sense. |
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Here we go again
said by Transmaster  :Well who paid off this clown. Then the accusation should be applied to all 5 FCC commissioners, not just Martin. Not 1 of the 5 spoke out against this ruling. And the 4 that did comment individually, agreed it was good to let BPL go forward. And they all said the ARRL should not be worried because they will keep an eye on interference issues.
I don't agree with them that BPL will become this great new broadband competitor, however. BPL will never be anything but a niche player and won't become the savior of rural broadband - the economics just isn't there.
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join:2000-05-11 | You can easily apply the accusation to all five. They climb out of the same car.
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Jan Janowski
join:2000-06-18
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Perfect example of how 'appointees' who have no technical expertise, can make bad decisions....
I guess they thought that moving to digital television would eliminate TVI?????
"You have TVI?? You probably have an 'older analog' television, right? With digital TV you won't have interference!!!"
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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Re: BPL may be good.
those speeds are probably the theoretical maximums, obtainable only in simulations or under laboratory conditions. Nobody currently offering or thinking of offering BPL is anywhere near these speeds, or will be anytime soon. |
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
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Re: Here we go again
said by Transmaster :Well who paid off this clown. That was my first thought, Transmaster, from reading the news topic. I guess this azzhat, has not learned to spell fiber optic, why is it, the higher the career position, the dumber these asshats become.?
With such hot weather, the power grids are at max capacity as it is now try to meet increasing demands. I truly wish BPL was up and running now, just to get a good laugh and a, see we told you that would happen, when overloaded power grids explode or do whatever they do, to place large areas in the dark for a week or so. I bet not many people would want BPL then. 
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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Re: BPL may be good.
These are the claims made by the BPL industry mostly to sucker investors in.
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Here we go again
said by guitarzan :I truly wish BPL was up and running now, just to get a good laugh and a, see we told you that would happen, when overloaded power grids explode or do whatever they do, to place large areas in the dark for a week or so. I bet not many people would want BPL then. I doubt someone would be worried very much about losing their broadband if their power was out for a week. Loss of BPL at the same time you lose power is a minor part of your problems.
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moonpuppy
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said by TKJunkMail : And they all said the ARRL should not be worried because they will keep an eye on interference issues. Complete BS! They haven't responded to the interference issues. They have dragged their feet and will continue to do so until forced otherwise. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| I just gots to find some competition, dammit!
So sez Kevvie as he crosses his fingers, mumbles a silent prayer and releases the BPL order on the nation.
HEY YOU STOOPID GITS! HOW ABOUT DOING SOMETHING TO PROMOTE REAL COMPETITION BEFORE ATT AND VERIZON RUIN THE INTERNET?
My predicition: in the next 5 years, there will be no meaningful, large scale deployments of BPL that will be successful. |
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zacharysc
join:2006-08-03
Lebanon, IN
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Re: Here we go again
I think they should maybe work to find better ways to provide faster internet service to the rural community. Living only 3 miles from town and not havng a dang faster connection besides satellite. (Which I'm not counting has high speed, either should they. Satellite is slow, horrible, and very costly.)
I'm stuck with dial-up, everyone else should be lucky they have something faster such as cable, DSL, or Fiber Optics. Stop being so damn greedy is what I say.
Though BPL "may be a new hope", it will inevitably crash. And most new services, even "long-distance" wireless (eg. WiMAX) is only going to be offered to suburban/urbab communities where there is already a wide variety of services.
I won't complain though if BPL was actually used for good, such as powering up the Rural community with faster internet. (Doubtful to happen.) |
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cableties
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Re: BPL may be good.
I had been doing trials with some transformers-on-ethernet and let me tell you...after 30 days, each would just fail. Now these were just ethernet over power convertors, but I was disappointed to have to use 6 in two months. And speed was more like 1.4Mb/s over a residential 12/3 wiring. (may even been 14/2 in some rooms).
We suspected it was the "quality" of the power (spikes, surges, brown outs, dips..). And this was not even during the prime storm months (June-August and Winter season).
I wonder how the HAM ops feel over this one.  |
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RayW
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Re: Here we go again
I lose power a lot. As long as the UPS (and soon to be generator) holds out I have DSL internet (as long as the power loss is the 80% that does not hit the DSLAM). If that happens then I get on the 10K (yup, 10K) dialup, if I need to.
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plattypus1
join:2005-04-08
Riverside, CA
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| Mr. Martin needs to talk
to anyone with enough brains to get a ham license. Hell, my wife is not technical in any way, and once I explained the idea of putting RF down wires, and then pointed to my wire antenna, she understood completely.
Mr. Martin, if you'd like to chat with somebody who has enough rudimentary understanding of RF technology to figure out why BPL is such a bad idea, please feel free to respond to me and I will be glad to arrange a meeting.
To all the ham ops out there, if BPL comes to your town, buy a 1.5KW amp and stick your antennas as close to the power lines as possible. Now, get a few friends together and start a 24/7 net. See how much of a "great broadband hope" this stuff is after that...
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BPLSUCKS
join:2006-04-26
Grand Ledge, MI
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Trial is still going on here in my hometown. Speeds are anywhere from 512k to 3mbps depending on the package you buy. You must have LOS of the tower though because it is a wireless/bpl hybrid where the data is over the air until it hits a pole near your house and then is transfered to the power lines that run into your home. Speed tests from about 26 different homes show near or above speeds. But it does interfear with the lower frequency bands in the shortwave and ham area. It is vaporware in my opinion but if applied in the right way could be useful for grid monitoring if the frequency was changed to the Ghz or upper Mhz range instead of the HF/HAM/SW1/SW2 Range |
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Tzale
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I guess Martin received some nice trips and money from the power companies..
Let's see - Aviation and Amateur Radio (netting the FCC hardly any money) or power companies who can make them millions of dollars... I'm an Amateur Radio operator. I'll be damned if someone takes my bands away that I worked so hard to get licensed to use.
Not to mention, the FCC is required to contact and fine anybody who interferes with Amateur Radio or ANY licensed service. Including FM Radio, Emergency Comm, Aviation, etc...
Those fines range from $10,000 to infinity.
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