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Comments on news posted 2006-08-07 09:23:19: Most ISPs now bundle antivirus, anti-spyware, parental controls, and other freebies to attract customers - though as the San Francisco Chronicle's David Lazarus writes, Mac users are a little annoyed that they're being neglected. ..
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58ef2c0
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| What a... ...useless topic.
Apple has less than 5% of the hardware market and pure Apple apps are less than 4% of the software market. The new dual mode Intel Mac's Windows ability does not count, because (drum roll...) they are then running Windows and are no longer a "Mac" running OSX!
If the pure "Mac" play was so successful, Apple would not be courting the Windows market at all.
And as an aside, doesn't the guy playing the Mac on those commercials seem like the smart-ass know-it-all you knew in college who ended up working at Burger King in his 40's?
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| Re: What a... quote:
The new dual mode Intel Mac's Windows ability does not count, because (drum roll...) they are then running Windows and are no longer a "Mac" running OSX
Funny, my Wife's MacBook has no Windows running on it, just pure and reliable OSX. | |
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: What a... So what? It'll not be running all those specialized Windows applications then will it?
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1 edit | Re: What a... said by David  :I am really kind of shocked that Apple does not develop the OSx for PC's. This is a market they could really clean up in. Apple won't release OSx for PC's because they don't want to have to deal with all the hardware variations (and choices) that exist in the PC market. Apple would have to develop and support their own plug & play system, along with the support and inclusion of thousands upon thousands of hardware drivers. Apple wants to keep things right where they are now - on their own, tightly controlled hardware base. Do they really have a choice? As we can all finally see, their hardware holds no magic at all... in fact, it's quite simple and mostly off the shelf. People want to pay premiums for their Mac hardware to get OSx. I choose not. I like Windows XP. Have had no issues with it. I prefer the huge, massive abundance of hardware and software choices which are available for the PC and not the MAC (which is quite opposite of what the Mac vs PC commercials would lead people to believe). I don't think you'll see an official release of OSx for the PC anytime soon.
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| said by RadioDoc :So what? It'll not be running all those specialized Windows applications then will it? And so what to that.
I have owned and used only Macs for the last 16 years. I dont see the need for any PC apps. Havent needed them so far, so I am not thinking I will anytime soon. I do web development and graphic design and everything I need is available for Mac, and usually its available first. | |
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| Re: What a... Who the hell are you talking to? I used "Mac", you dope.
If all you do are graphics and visuals then you've got an advantage with a Mac. Beyond that there is no reason to buy one except to show the world how "different" you are, which you also should be finished doing past age 25.
When you join the real world, let us know. For now you're just a ranting twit.
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| Re: What a... Hey Mr Bitter and Angry, who said I was talking to you? If you didnt say MAC, then why do ya think I was addressing you?
When you decide to open your closed mind and check out a computer without worms, viruses and trojan horses, let me know. For now, you're just showing your ignorance. | |
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dadkins
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1 edit | Re: What a... Closed mind?
Uhhh... if you were to get on a Windows XP machine as a USER, instead of ADMIN, 99% of the crap out there would not affect you!
Making a couple of adjustments to the rest of the machine will make it just as bulletproof as your Mac! 
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join:2000-05-11 | You replied to me, you twit. That's why I thought you were talking to me.
Evidently you Mac fanboys can't work forum software either.
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| That's the largest load of bollocks I have ever heard.
Once again a well run shop has very few problems outside of USER error and trust me they can mangle a Mac faster then a PC. 99% of a tech supports position in a large company is usually password resets its only rare a problem occurs. When it does occur it has nothing to do with Windows and is usually a user like you.
IT does not use Windows for job security they use it because it is fast, easy to use, easy to integrate and it doesn't cost bag load of money. If they wanted an expensive, proprietary system with NO software that is hard to integrate ad slow they would go with a Mac. | |
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| said by HappyBunny :Oh for crying out loud, would you PeeCee users get with it and learn that the correct word is "Mac" and not "MAC"? You show your ignorance everytime you type this! THank you. Perhaps some of us have jobs that involve usage of MAC addresses, and are used to logging those with caps on. Besides, it's really pointless to argue about who uses caps, and why that "makes them stupid". After all, I would imagine you'd have a meltdown if you encountered a real "computer problem" in the first place, judging by the "haterism" spewing from your mouth. Don't think just because Mac is BSD Core based that you are some kind of Uber Linux/C+ programmer. You probably only been to the Shell prompt 5 times in your entire life, and were only there to try something you found on Google. Next time your "make money" with your "Mac", just remember that there is a Windows PC user out there that is making 3 times as much as you are with their PC because all the OTHER software out there that was not based off of graphic design. And to be quite honest with you, Mac hasn't held the "best graphics tools" award in about 10 years, not sure where you've been. If I'm not mistaken, there is much more hardware available for the PC, and the software choices are better on PC for the graphics and video editing now. Also, the system bus on a Mac now is not what it used to be, in the days of SCSI busses, etc. Yep, now-a-days it's just another crappy Intel based PC wannabe, who has now decided to gain market share by running that "swiss cheese" O/S called Windows.
And by the way, this topic was pertaining to the Anti-Virus/Firewall software not being available for Mac's, not an O/S war. To be quite honest with you, if Mac users feel they deserve a reduction in rates for not being able to use McAfee, I want even more, because Comcast doesn't even support my O/S, so I won't be calling them for help EVER, unless I want to be told again that they don't support it. I use Slackware, so unlike "stupid Mac and Windows" users, I have to support my own, on my own. So before you call unknowns on the internet "stupid" for not bowing down to YOUR interpetation of the brand name, just remember, you're the one who footed the expensive price tag for a brand with limitations, while I am reaping the benefit of open source software, who has portals to Mac AND Windows. Thanks, have a nice day.
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Anonymous
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| ?? OK you all need to slow down. First of all we are talking about *OPTIONAL* *FREE* software. Nobody is forcing you to download it. It's available at no extra charge if you want it.
There is no way to get a discount for software that's included at no extra charge. What are you going to do? Ask them to remove the $0 extra charge?
BTW I think major ISPs should completely stop supporting Apple. Make it one of those 'you're on your own' deals. After all we all know that Apple users and their machines are superior in every way... | |
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dscl
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| Re: ?? said by Anonymous :BTW I think major ISPs should completely stop supporting Apple. Make it one of those 'you're on your own' deals. After all we all know that Apple users and their machines are superior in every way... That's the way it is with most ISPs already. The moment you mention you have a Mac you can almost see the deer in the headlights look coming through the phone! | |
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| Re: ?? said by dscl :said by Anonymous :BTW I think major ISPs should completely stop supporting Apple. Make it one of those 'you're on your own' deals. After all we all know that Apple users and their machines are superior in every way... That's the way it is with most ISPs already. The moment you mention you have a Mac you can almost see the deer in the headlights look coming through the phone! Well I'm a Mediacom employee and I can tell you that Macs are supported. | |
| JSRoman
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1 edit | I would like to thank all of you.... This has to be the funnies thread ever. "HEY it is Mac not MAC". Talk about sensitive. It is a freaking computer not your wife or maybe it is, I don't know.
Anyway Apple has more important things to worry about like maybe having to reinstate their earnings or more like lack of profits for last 4 years. OH SNAPS...down goes AAPL | |
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Rob A
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Pompton Plains, NJ | Probably because... In general, macs don't really need any of that crap. | |
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San Luis Obispo, CA
| Re: Probably because... Yeah..right.
Now that Mac's have the Intel chip-they'll need all the help they can get!
Can't wait for the hacker's to get past the OS-X OS...then we'll see some SERIOUS whining out there.
And you Mac users KNOW it's comming....
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| Re: Probably because... said by stridr69 :Yeah..right. Now that Mac's have the Intel chip-they'll need all the help they can get! Can't wait for the hacker's to get past the OS-X OS...then we'll see some SERIOUS whining out there. And you Mac users KNOW it's comming.... Hmmm... Linux has been running on Intel for years and it has not happen to them, so what's your point? | |
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| said by stridr69 :Yeah..right. Now that Mac's have the Intel chip-they'll need all the help they can get! Can't wait for the hacker's to get past the OS-X OS...then we'll see some SERIOUS whining out there. And you Mac users KNOW it's comming.... Using caps on the brand name is one thing, but this comment is stupidity, shining like a quarter in the sunshine.
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| What's up with Windows users? Man, windows users are something else. Why would I want to use a PC like practically everyone else in the world uses? The fact that they have over 90% of the market doesn't mean its a good thing. Windows users should stop being sheep and following the herd. Take a stand and break out. It's like the Toyota v. Mercedes. Mercedes doesn't sell as many cars as Toyota or Honda, but there is a reason for that.
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| This Mac Brat... Built PCs for 10 years and cleaned up Windows messes for friends even longer.
After fooling with "experts" who didn't know how to download Java - and the three viruses my beloved ISP sent me, I quit. They were out of service for a week because of the LOVE virus. In the meantime I set up a network, got SBC Broadband up and running, avoided SBC/Yahoo bloatware by using only the DNS numbers, and I bought a Mac.
It was unpacked and online in five minutes. It worked out of the box without my spending any time looking for updated drivers. It didn't need any extra parts. My printer and scanner worked like it always did. All the software I needed except an office suite was already installed and working perfectly.
You can say all the negative things you want about Mac but while you are wasting time cleaning out viruses, cookies, adware, malware, spyware, keystroke loggers, back doors, defragging, or cleaning up from a nasty crash -- I'm working. I've been online 24/7for 3 years except for vacations and I have not crashed once. Mac crashes are hardware issues whereas PC crashes are generally attributed to the memory pool.
When I needed office tools I did not pay $500 for MS Office for Mac, I paid $80 for Apple Works and bought the same tools. I finally have a spread sheet that doesn't lock up and crash. As long as there is Rich Text Format and plain Text I won't ever see a .doc again.
PC users cannot compare their machines to a Mac because no company named PC makes a computer whereas Apple does. It creates the Mac, the Apple ROM, the Apple software, and designs the internal and external factors. This leaves only software to compare. Windows software forced me to upgrade printer/scanner/?? every time I upgraded my OS. Apple knows Mac users work for a living. Most of the hardware is backwards compatible. My new Canon PC/Mac printer that I bought for the W98se listed on the side of the printer box worked fine with a 1995 Mac Clone but not with the PC. And it worked perfectly with the new OS X.
You wanna compare software, fine. Quark costs PC users less than it does me. Most PC for Mac compatible software does. OTOH Mac software isn't built for a DOS, VBS, or NT platform. it's built for a UNIX platform. .
Computers do the same things regardless of he operating system. Every user has a favorite machine and favorite OS. Mine happens to be a G4MDD and Panther. Dollar for dollar, if you put a PC, LINUX and MAC on the bench, that had the same hard drive, same brand and amount of memory, the same video card, installed Red Hat on all three and then ran the identical graphic and speed tests you wouldn't see a nickles worth of difference - and they would all cost $2000.
Trashing another persons choice for computer is a waste of time if you never owned one like it. For myself, I wanted a Mac in 1997 but it took another six years to finally get it. Gates and his VBS viruses finally prevailed. This fall I will buy an another Mac, maybe two, a wide screen monitor and some new software.
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| Not all of that stuff is AV/Spyware/popup blockers There are things like basic development tools, photo manipulation software and music access that Comcast provides for Windows folks that is being subsidized by people who can't run it if they wanted to.
That's the stuff that you'd think they could make a deal with someone for - some small share ware developer would happily provide a discount to get some more customers. It doesn't have to be the full Dreamweaver suite, but something would be nice. | |
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Midak
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| Re: Not all of that stuff is AV/Spyware/popup blockers Freebies are just that and if you can't use them - don't. You can still go out and buy a PC and have the use of these freebies. Just because your computer is not capable of using these freebies does not mean you should get a discount. Before you sign up, you are told what you need to run these freebies and a Mac is not it. | |
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| Re: Not all of that stuff is AV/Spyware/popup blockers I recently switched from PC to Mac about 4 months ago...I also have Comcast HSI.
Even when I ran Windows, I wouldn't put that McAfee crapware on my PC. I had too much respect for it to do something as abominable as that.
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