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2 edits | This reminds me of....
Of a story line in Al Capp's Lil Abner. Lonesome Polecat and Hairless Joe whipped up a batch of Kickapoo Joy juice (KJJ). It somehow ended up on an airplane which flew over a country which was located on a large iceberg. The KJJ was dumped over their iceberg. It was soon discovered it made the ice irresistible to eat. So the citizens of this country started selling off the ice. They ended up selling off their entire country. Well the present KJJ is RF spectrum and the FCC it selling off for up front money what they could lease and get long term income off of. Really dumb.
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| said by Transmaster  : Well the present KJJ is RF spectrum and the FCC it selling off for up front money what they could lease and get long term income off of. Really dumb. But the US Treasury isn't giving up all future benefits by selling the spectrum off instead of leasing it. Because all the additional use of the new spectrum leads to more profits due to new wireless business and that leads to more income taxes, excise taxes, etc. So the Treasury does get a continuing stream of money from the sale of the spectrum anyway.
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jervin123
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Also which millitary band 1800 or 2100? hopefully both so we dont have 12 band phones by 2010 only tri maybe. |
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solarified
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1 edit | Pure BS
I find this whole mess appalling. Why don't we auction off all spectrum, DC to white light to corporate America? What next generation app would possibly need these large blocks of spectrum. Don't forget that soon we will need to throw out our television sets soon to comply with other foolish legislation that has been shoved down our throats. We will all need to purchase new ones for ourselves and don't forget that we will also pay for the other less fortunate people to get converters / new ones as well via taxation. Someone explain how all of this is a good idea to anyone other than a greedy CEO.
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n2jtx
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Re: Does this mean
said by jervin123 :Also which millitary band 1800 or 2100? hopefully both so we dont have 12 band phones by 2010 only tri maybe. The way things are going we may someday wind up with an octaband phone or worse. At the moment it appears you will need a quintband phone in order to support 850, 900, 1800, 1900 and 2100MHz. Over at GSM World they are complaining that the European Union has alternate plans for the proposed 3G expansion band at 2.5 to 2.69GHz which could lead to even more frequency fragmentation. The RF engineers at Nokia, Samsung, Motorola, LG, etc. are going to have their hands full over the next few years trying to cram ever greater frequency support into even smaller packages and keep the battery consumption down.
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n2jtx
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Re: Pure BS
said by solarified :Don't forget that soon we will need to throw out out television sets soon to comply with other foolish legislation that has been shoved down our throats. We will all need to purchase new ones for ourselves and don't forget that we will also pay for the other less fortunate people to get converters / new ones as well via taxation. Someone explain how all of this is a good idea to anyone other than a greedy CEO. The greedier get greedier and the rest of us get the shaft. I refuse to buy a new TV until after February 2009 and even then I debating the merits of it. High Definition improves the picture quality but not the content! I have an HD card installed in my PC and it is great to see the clear crisp video but I am still "wanting" for something good to watch. I have a 21 year old 19" Sony that I will endeavor to keep alive until February 2009. Twelve years ago it blew the main voltage regulator chip and just last week the flyback transformer blew out with a nice puff of smoke. Total cost for me to fix the latest breakdown was $23 which is worth it to me to not have to buy a new TV yet. Plus it "sticks" it to the electronics industry which is more than happy to sell you a conventional TV that they know will be useless in a little over two years.
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Ahrenl
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They're only getting rid of the analog signal, which should have already been done. You won't need to buy a new TV unless you haven't bought one in the last 15 years. The only people who will be affected are those that aren't using cable boxes, or don't want to. The Analog signal wastes an incredible amount of resources, compared to digital counterparts that are already simulcast. |
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jervin123
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Re: Does this mean
Battery Consumption of some recent smart phones and some not so recent smart phones isnt the best ie. N-gage QD I' m lucky if i can get it to not go down below 10% after going camping and using the phone on the highway alot to get there (some people have no sense of direction) and then but a nokia 6340 or 6010 can last there average time |
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insomniac84
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Schererville, IN | reply to n2jtx
Re: Pure BS
Just buy computer monitors. I think a 19in computer monitor is $200-$250 less than a 19in lcd tv.(Especially with recent deals)
No need to get a tuner built in, because you will end up using some kind of digital tuner anyways. |
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Re: This reminds me of....
They are auctioning off licenses to use the spectrum, which is similar to a lease, and each license has a clause which disavows any licensee ownership of any spectrum used by said licensee. You might want to read up on the process a bit before sounding 'really dumb'.
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Re: Pure BS
ATSC 'digital' TV uses the same "incredible amount of resources" (channel bandwidth) as analog, so how do you think eliminating analog will suddenly free up gobs of space? TV stations have to choose which channel they want to keep (their current analog or digital assignment) but those digital assignments were made inside the same bands as analog. It's not that there will be a great wide open frequency space suddenly appearing in 2009. The FCC will lift the freeze and just go back to granting more TV licenses.
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Eric Martin
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66308 | Auctioning off airwaves to billionaires is wrong.
google open spectrum.
It's our airwaves. They should be affordable and free.
F the FCC. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | Point that thing at Congress. They mandated spectrum auctions, not the FCC.
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ricep5
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| Indirect Tax
Spectrum Auction = Indirect Tax
The expense of purchasing the spectrum has to be passed on to someone. In short, this is a way to implement a free market tax, in that someone has to have a successful business model to pass the 'tax' along successfully. |
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sliplipsrip
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|  can I have my own frequency?
the electromagnetic spectrum is a natural resource or phenomenon like oxygen and gravity. So far, the U.S. govt. has allowed me to use my fair share of both oxygen and gravity without paying a subscription fee to my oxygen or gravity provider of choice.
I also want the same consideration when it comes to my use of the electromagnetic spectrum. It's your spectru, it's my spectrum, it's all of ours spectrum.
as I'm writing this I just realized that the difference between gravity, oxygen, and spectrum is that the former 2 are unlimited supply. spectrum I guess is conceived of as a limited resource.
So, as long as I stay on my own "personal" wavelength and not bother anyone else I'm doing fine. Hey, perhaps I can start leasing out my personal wavelength to the highest bidder. |
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Ahrenl
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Re: Pure BS
said by RadioDoc :ATSC 'digital' TV uses the same "incredible amount of resources" (channel bandwidth) as analog, so how do you think eliminating analog will suddenly free up gobs of space? TV stations have to choose which channel they want to keep (their current analog or digital assignment) but those digital assignments were made inside the same bands as analog. It's not that there will be a great wide open frequency space suddenly appearing in 2009. The FCC will lift the freeze and just go back to granting more TV licenses. Digital uses less per channel. Any free space provided from discontinuing the broadcast of Analogue (as in many places both are simulcast, as I stated) will probably just be used to broadcast more digital channels. They definitely have the ability to broadcast both, however. Comcast does it now, at least in the Northeast. |
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| ATSC Digital Television uses the entire channel with less power than equivalent analog but that doesn't mean there is more room for anyone because of it. I can show you spectrum analyzer shots if you want.
Comcast's alleged "digital" channels are very much not the same thing. They compress the shit out of them to cram 12 streams into one 6 MHz channel space and they look like crap.
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Ahrenl
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