calvoiper
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1 edit | Earmarked?
One wonders if this was a Hatch earmark....
Of course, this system will now get attacked for having extensive government funding and competing with the private sector. While I'm glad to see this go forward, we'll have to look at others to "prove out" the economic sense of wresting control of the Internet from the likes of Qwest.
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TKJunkMail
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Re: Earmarked?
U.S. Department of Agriculture loan program aimed at shoring up rural broadband. The money will help speed up construction in six of the project's cities Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES?
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kamm
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Re: Earmarked?
said by TKJunkMail  :U.S. Department of Agriculture loan program aimed at shoring up rural broadband. The money will help speed up construction in six of the project's cities Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? Poor Tjunk, you should be very upset that your Comcast buddies won't enjoy their monopoly anymore...  |
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| said by kamm :said by TKJunkMail :U.S. Department of Agriculture loan program aimed at shoring up rural broadband. The money will help speed up construction in six of the project's cities Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? Poor Tjunk, you should be very upset that your Comcast buddies won't enjoy their monopoly anymore... Non-responsive reply. Want to try again?
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| said by TKJunkMail :Non-responsive reply. Want to try again? I'll try, how about the fact the the term "cities" is probably used to represent the zipcode one lives in.
Then there's the off chance that the major employer in these ares is agriculture. Agriculture isn't limited to the growing of good but also the people who are employed by it.
We also have the technical aspect that the infrastructure providing the services on this fiber network is probably based within the cites rather than in billy bob's barn. so they need to spend the money to expand the network to the barn, not from it.
The real answer though is you're just pissed because the government is giving money to another part of government instead of some private investors.
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calvoiper
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| The linked article says "six cities" but mentions only five by name. With 2000 Census population numbers, they are:
Lindon 8,363
Payson 12,716
Brigham City 17,411
Centerville 14,585
Tremonton 5,592
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hoyleysox
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| Can't choose NOT to pay for it.
The phone company cannot auction away your house if you don't want to pay for a phone. But those cities in Utah can auction away your house if you don't pay the the "Utopia" portion of your property taxes, even if you don't subscribe to their fiber service. |
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John Galt
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Re: Earmarked?
said by TKJunkMail :Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? This area IS largely rural, despite the fact that people live in "cities".
Insofar as this is a "fiber" project, there is little reason to install it in areas that have a lesser population density.
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Re: Can't choose NOT to pay for it.
This matters because?
Same with the roads, the schools, the local parks, and about 1 billion other services that are tax funded that could cause you to lose everything you own. |
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BloodRoses
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Re: Earmarked?
said by TKJunkMail :Anyone but me notice the absurdity of a Dept of Agriculture loan for RURAL broadband enhancement going to help out deployment in 6 CITIES? Americans heavily abuse the word "city", to them it is any place with a population greater than 1,000. Of course in modern times this number is absolutely absurd. That to me, and the rest of the world, is a "town". A city is closer to a population of 1 million or more. So cities of the Northeast would go "Washington D.C., Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York City, Providence, Boston". The whole world makes fun of us for this, even the Brits call us "septics" for this very reason.
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Ahrenl
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The private sector is free to compete across the Utopia network with the other service providers. Utopia is only the infrastructure. Frankly this is exactly what USF fee's should be going towards. NOT private networks. Private networks should be built/upgraded with PRIVATE money. Otherwise they're really public networks, and should only garner their present "owners" a management fee.. nothing more.
This is by far the least ridiculous thing the DoA does. Paying way over market price to burn millions of tons of grain to keep tiny farms solvent certainly ranks higher in my book. |
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Michieru2
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1 edit | ?
"agriculture |ˈagriˌkəl ch ər| noun the science or practice of farming, including cultivation of the soil for the growing of crops and the rearing of animals to provide food, wool, and other products."
So uhm why is this there responsability? |
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA
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1 edit | reply to hoyleysox
Re: Can't choose NOT to pay for it.
Did you read the article? It was originally funded by a special SALES TAX, and now by the infrastructure/revenue generated by the system itself.
Of course that would invalidate your entire argument.
(Just for the logic impaired, that means there is no "utopia portion of your property tax") |
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pnh102
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Re: Earmarked?
said by BloodRoses :The whole world makes fun of us for this, even the Brits call us "septics" for this very reason. Somehow I doubt that the rest of the world disapproving of the way we use the term "city" is going to change the way we use it. In fact, if more Americans knew of this disapproval, we would probably end up calling individual rooms "cities."
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Re: ?
Agriculture means more than the farms themselves. Communications is quite important to farmers. You don't just grow a crop, load it on a truck, and take it to market. You also have to stay on top of what the commodity markets are doing so you can know when you should and shouldn't sell. You also need to keep track of weather forecasts, insect infestation reports, etc. This stuff isn't trivial. I grew up in a farming household, and it can be one of the most stressful professions you can go into.
Also, if you want to go just a bit farther afield, farmers depend on the goods and services in their local communities, and, in case you haven't noticed, people in rural communities are leaving in droves. Why? Because industry is leaving, and people have to follow the jobs. And why is industry leaving? There are many reasons, but lack of infrastructure is one of them. In places like that, information infrastructure is crucial. If you're the superintentant of a small school district, or even a small college, how do you offer courses that you don't have the facilities to teach locally? Distance ed is one way, but to make that work, you need broadband.
I'm not saying this is all directly linked to agriculture, but it's needed to support the places where many farmers live and work. |
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batterup
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You people pride yourselves on being self sufficient. You protest your tax dollars going to welfare recipients. You people slop at the public trough wile pretending you’re above it all.
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JSRoman
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Callahan, FL | It is a loan.
Calm down folks. It's a loan ! |
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