utahluge
join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT | ha
Geeze... I am no expert but they could have made money off letting them use the poles. Still, way to go for just saying 'Screw You!' and putting up new poles! |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Works for me  |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
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Good for Verizon in sticking up for its business.. Once again I have to voice my opinion that municipalities should not be entering into this market. All these muni networks will start off cheap or free.. and when they claim enough of the market it will simply become a TAX on the people in order to create revenue. Prices will skyrocket.. just as tolls on bridges and tunnels .. the same as parking fines.
Verizon has plans to build out FiOS eventually.. its just a stupid move on the government. FiOS will eventually kick its ass and it'll be a failed project and a waste of taxes. |
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shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
| this said from someone that is posting in the bronx so where were they just yesterday was there nto a news blerb about verison concentrating on the new york city area so since you can either get fios now or really soon you say to hell with what the local community decided for it's self who knows if verizon would ever bless them with the designation of being profitable enough to deploy there. So let thier people have what they want. If it turns out bad for them then they will learn from it if it turns out good for them then yay. But don't stand in thier way Verizon. |
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JSRoman
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Callahan, FL
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Normally I would agree but in this case it looks like this fiber network is purely for government and school use. This is going to save the schools and municipalities a ton of cash. If I was a resident in these area and had any Verizon service I would make sure to cancel my Verizon service to show my disapproval of their hardball tactics. Good for them for just going around Verizon and avoiding having to go to court.
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
clubs: | Last time I checked...
The public right of way that Verizon's poles sit in are not the property of Verizon but of the municipality or state in which they are located.
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | reply to utahluge
Re: ha
Now we'll start seeing a "Muni Defense Recovery Fee" on our Verizon bills. |
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Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | reply to ropeguru
Re: Last time I checked...
Simply change the law to include this fiber. Hell that works any other time political morons want something their way. |
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shoan
join:2006-02-27
Benton, AR
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Re: haha
It jsut seems to me that Verizon and the Muni could quit fighting and make a coop type agreement. There are bigger things out there that need the money that get wasted on lawsuits to fight the deployment like I don't know maybe deploying service lol. |
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TKJunkMail
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said by JSRoman  :Normally I would agree but in this case it looks like this fiber network is purely for government and school use. I'll bet that if that was true, Verizon wouldn't have fought it. But it isn't:
To further reduce costs, and spread the benefits of fiber optics, the MAISD invited the county, Central Dispatch, Muskegon Community and Baker colleges and a nonprofit Internet-service provider to join the project,
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Transmaster
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join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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What you say might be true in The Bronx but don't think it is necessary true for everyplace else. If the incumbents won't install a system then cities need to do things for themselves. A good digital network is very important to a city to attract businesses.
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bsc
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join:2003-03-11
Lexington, KY | reply to ropeguru
Re: Last time I checked...
property owned by public.
pole owned by verizon.
still verizon's call who hangs wires on their poles.
this is my interpretation. |
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china crisis
join:2003-05-28
| said by bsc :property owned by public. pole owned by verizon. still verizon's call who hangs wires on their poles. Not according to Verizon. State law does. |
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dick white
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join:2000-03-24
Annandale, VA
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said by bsc :property owned by public. pole owned by verizon. still verizon's call who hangs wires on their poles. this is my interpretation. yup, the pole itself is private but the hole in the ground in which the pole stands is public. The deal between the private pole owner and the public hole owner is that the pole must made available for other reasonable public uses too. Since Verizon seems to not want to uphold its end of the bargain, maybe they should be kicked off the public land and required to negotiate private rights of way to run their lines where they need to. |
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tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: haha
Good thing those non-profit organizations aren't out to make a profit, much like schools and government. |
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Dolgan
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join:2005-10-01
Sun Prairie, WI
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Utter BS for Verizon to block it. There are no current plans to install FIOS in any of the Upper Midwest Region{other than Ft Wayne, IN where it is currently offered}. VZ is still involved in talks to try and sell the region and will not be doing any upgrades to the network untill the talks fail. Maybe if more communities take this action throughout the country, VZ and the other telcos will get off their arses and start deploying next gen networks throughout their footprints. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | Dolgan, you hit the nail right on the head. |
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ITALIAN926, unlike you, I am actually a resident of the county in question. And unlike you, I am very supportive of the county in this case. First of all, the law in question is being interpreted very narrowly by Verizon, and I'm sure the lawmakers never intended it to be interpreted in that manner (of course, since the phone companies practically write the damn telecommunications act every time it's revised, the legislators often seem to have no idea what they are passing).
Second, when this project was originally conceived, it was only intended to link the county's schools (note that one of the colleges is a Community college that is funded by the county, and the other has an adjacent campus so there is no extra cost to interconnect the two campuses) and certain governmental offices, several of which were in areas where Verizon had not deployed even basic DSL, and wouldn't give any sort of guarantee that they would do so. When Verizon started playing hardball, I think the county decided that if Verizon was going to do that, they needed to bring others into the system to share the costs. Note that there are still no plans to have a for-profit Internet provider share in this system, so it's NOT a typical muni system as most people here define it. My guess is that the "non-profit" provider is Merit or MichNet (which interconnect the state's colleges and universities), but that's just a guess.
Given the bad taste Verizon has left in everyone's mouth, it would not surprise me if in the future the county tells Verizon to go screw themselves when they want to sell services to the county or the schools, or for that matter, when they want to place new poles. I notice the county is now talking about using VoIP, which would probably never even have been under consideration (not for quite some time, anyway), had it not been for Verizon's tactics.
Verizon could probably have avoided all of this by offering DSL throughout the county in a timely manner, but they chose to play the role of the big, bad telephone company. Nice way to burn your bridges, Verizon. |
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Fatal Vector
join:2005-11-26 | Perhaps I'm missing something here
But, WTF does verizon have to do with sharing poles in MI?
AT&T is the telco in MI, INCLUDING the muskegon area as far as I know. |
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rawgerz
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Grove City, PA
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Re: haha
I've honestly will never understand NY types like yourself. Everyone there seems to think that businesses like Verizon are something they take pride in and should protect from bad mouthing any such companies.
While the rest of us in less dense areas are billed beyond belief for little services. We don't share your view of Verizon as a 'godsend'. Maybe if they paid more attention to our areas we would, but for the last decade we have largely been neglected and monopolized. Just last week we received a phone bill for $92 from Verizon, and that's just for a basic 2 line POTS with one caller ID, and hardly any long distance charges.
So what if the project might go south, at least it's A choice that is working on giving the people something better while giving Verizon competition.
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