PhoenixDown
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People deserved to be fleeced if they choose to continue ignoring this.
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P Ness
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Funny cause after Google, who even comes close as a "web-centric companies with equal or superior market and financial power." vs the telecom's?
can't count microsoft or intel...none of the big tech companies even make 5% of their $$ on the web....
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yock
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| Conflict of interest? Maybe...
So this guy doesn't exactly have a background that lends credibility to his position, but holding against him the fact that he campaigns against government regulation of commerce is far from a negative. One need not look any further than New York City Rent Control policies of mere decades ago to see the pooch-screwing that is possible when government meddles in the free market.
The notion lately that telecom companies must sign franchise agreements *REQUIRING* them to build out is simply outlandish. We all make trade-offs when we choose to settle in certain parts of the country. If I choose to live in East Jesus, USA, then I should be cognizant of the notion that I may not be able to get high-speed data access.
There's also the opportunity here for small entrepreneurs to capitalize on a moderate risk investment. If the demand truly exists in rural areas, then savvy business persons can do business in those niche markets far more efficiently than Mama Bell and her Timely sibling could ever dream of. Encourage small business to lease lines from the major carriers and resell to rural customers. If rural customers pickup the service, then excellent! If they don't, then the market has spoken.
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proefain
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Re: Good!
said by press release :
* Net Newcomers Google (50.1%), Yahoo (27.1%), and Amazon (25.9%) enjoy monopoly-like returns on invested capital compared to AT&T (8.5%) and Verizon (8.7%). I wonder where they got their figures from and why Comcast is not listed. Also Verizon is still making money even with them spending all that $$$ of fiber. |
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Re: Conflict of interest? Maybe...
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So this guy doesn't exactly have a background that lends credibility to his position, but holding against him the fact that he campaigns against government regulation of commerce is far from a negative.
It's not the campaigning against regulation that's a problem, it's doing it under the guise of consumer advocacy. Lazy press picks this stuff up as independent and objective research, when it's really political PR. |
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yock
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| said by Karl Bode  : quote:
So this guy doesn't exactly have a background that lends credibility to his position, but holding against him the fact that he campaigns against government regulation of commerce is far from a negative.
It's not the campaigning against regulation that's a problem, it's the pretense that it is being done under the guise of consumer advocacy. No, you assume that it's being done under some guise. I'll grant you that you're probably right and this guy is likely just a sleazeball, but I'm not ready to assassinate his entire argument simply based on his industry affiliation.
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join:2000-03-02 | I don't assasinate the argument. I assasinate the pretense of consumer advocacy. And it's no assumption. I spent half of yesterday digging into the site and Pociask, and can promise you they're as much consumer advocates as you are yodeler. |
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yock
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2 edits | Oh forget it, I misread that.
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PhoenixDown
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I believe people have attempted to bring services to these areas on thier own but have met with resistance from the dominant telco and cable operators in the area.
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TKJunkMail
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said by Karl Bode : quote:
So this guy doesn't exactly have a background that lends credibility to his position, but holding against him the fact that he campaigns against government regulation of commerce is far from a negative.
It's not the campaigning against regulation that's a problem, it's doing it under the guise of consumer advocacy. Lazy press picks this stuff up as independent and objective research, when it's really political PR. A business environment without onerous government regulation is GOOD for the consumer. So, in effect, it is consumer advocacy.
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djeremy
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Encourage small business to lease lines from the major carriers and resell to rural customers. If rural customers pickup the service, then excellent! If they don't, then the market has spoken. Isn't this exactly what the bells are fighting in court? The do not want to lease their lines.
»www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/192201257 |
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Karl Bode
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A business environment without onerous government regulation is GOOD for the consumer. So, in effect, it is consumer advocacy.
Nice try.
However warping reality to fit your financially motivated argument does not actually change reality. |
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richardpor
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1 edit | Sinking to a New Low
A new Broadband Reports Low! This is a classic Ad hominem attack.
You are attacking The American Consumer Institute for being a Free Market think tank. The argument is:
American Consumer Institute proclaims that the call for net-neutrality regulation was coming from the largest and most profitable Internet firms. (Out of place quotes removed).
American Consumer Institute is a free market thinks tank.
Therefore, it does not represent consumers. Thus, what American Consumer Institute proclaims is false.
I think it is the height of arrogance to think only left wing leaning consumer activist groups that advocate government regulation is the only way to benefit consumers.
I happen to think such consumer activist groups do not represent my interest as a consumer because government regulation often comes with a high price tag in new taxes and degraded services. The free market serves the consumer well. |
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Karl Bode
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You are attacking The American Consumer Institute for being a Free Market think tank
Incorrect.
The American Consumer Institute is being attacked for being a free market think tank posing as consumer advocates. quote:
I think it is the height of arrogance to think only left wing leaning consumer activist groups that advocate government regulation is the only way to benefit consumers.
Nice try, but nobody actually said this.
In fact the very idea that this is a "right versus left" debate is simplistic and divisive. It is more akin to People vs. Profit. That is not a partisan debate.
Everyone, across all ideologies, has a right to publish their PR. Just don't dress it up as consumer advocacy. Free market proselytizing is stock holder and corporate owner advocacy, not consumer advocacy.
By and large it is free-market think tanks resorting to dressing up their ideas as advocacy. Why? Because ideas such as unlimited merger ability, unlimited media consolidation, the elimination of environmental protections, and/or consumer protections do - shockingly - not float with real consumers.
Solution? Warp reality and con consumers into believing ideas that solely work to increase the wealth of the nation's wealthiest, actually benefit them.
How? By dressing up as an independent research firm that sells this repackaged and spun data to consumers, they can get lazy reporters not aware of the new and insidious stink known as astroturf to print PR as FACT. |
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tsu9
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Ironically, consumer will has dictated that Google et al. are more popular than the ISPs. What's at stake is the inclination to change "consumer free will" forcibly, which seems to be something you rail hard against.
Weird, no?
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plat2on1
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Re: Conflict of interest? Maybe...
said by djeremy :Encourage small business to lease lines from the major carriers and resell to rural customers. If rural customers pickup the service, then excellent! If they don't, then the market has spoken. Isn't this exactly what the bells are fighting in court? The do not want to lease their lines. » www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/192201257 no..they want to not be forced to lease their lines at BELOW cost |
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djeremy
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San Francisco, CA | you honestly believe that? at&t and verizon have done everything they can to wipe out the competition including merging and acquiring. |
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yock
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said by plat2on1 :said by djeremy :Encourage small business to lease lines from the major carriers and resell to rural customers. If rural customers pickup the service, then excellent! If they don't, then the market has spoken. Isn't this exactly what the bells are fighting in court? The do not want to lease their lines. » www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/192201257 no..they want to not be forced to lease their lines at BELOW cost Indeed, telecom providers should be allowed to charge a fair price for leased lines. It must be profitable for them to do it, else we're right back where we started.
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said by TKJunkMail :A business environment without onerous government regulation is GOOD for the consumer. So, in effect, it is consumer advocacy. [Sarcasm]
And who better to advocate for consumers than businesses, no?
Of course, the real risk is that companies will overdo it and forget about their poor stock holders. What a difficult balance they must strike.
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nasadude
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said by TKJunkMail :A business environment without onerous government regulation is GOOD for the consumer. So, in effect, it is consumer advocacy. doesn't seem to be working too good for broadband. |
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