Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK | i don't think it's completely unreasonable
this summer, I've been testing some wireless connections that were 3500/2500 at a range of about 18km from the tower
line of sight is an issue of course, and 100mbps wireless at any distance is still a ways out there, but it's not impossible |
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kdandaoc
join:2003-10-13
608052427 | tell me something i don't know
" a combination of un-net savvy, financially compromised politicians and an apathetic FCC will keep wired networks relatively slow for now.
Hasn't this been the case for some time now? |
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Omega
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Cheyenne, WY
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| Speed vs. Ping
I don't know how this network will work, but it has been my experience that wireless networks have horrible ping time.
I would much rather have 1.5mbps @ 25-150ms ping than a wireless 100mbps network @ 400ms ping.
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jjgb10
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join:2004-11-24
Kasson, MN
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| Where do you get that a wireless connection has 400ms pings. The only wireless connection that has pings that high is Cell based internet such as EVDO or 1x cell internet.
Regular wireless internet that uses that 802.11x protocol almost always has ping times from hop to hop of less than 5ms.
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wirelesstech
join:2004-08-08
Waterford, VA
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I'm looking at my running copy of PingPlotter right now which shows me an average of approximately (I'm eyeballing this) 25ms across my WISP's network to the edge router at Equinix.
If you're seeing 400MS then your WISP has you far down the POLLING queue in his access point. Or something similar, but that's too high a number.
Shoutout: Good article, Alex. Unfortunately I think you're spot-on. |
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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Re: i don't think it's completely unreasonable
said by Tikker_LoS  :this summer, I've been testing some wireless connections that were 3500/2500 at a range of about 18km from the tower line of sight is an issue of course, and 100mbps wireless at any distance is still a ways out there, but it's not impossible Goldman sounds like Dvorak in an earlier story here today at BBR. He talks about 100 mbps wireless, but offers no evidence anything like those speeds is going to be available in the mid-term future, let alone near-term. All the systems being built today are barely delivering 1 mbps and that only under optimal conditions. His dream is probably 10 years out, if then.
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MZR
join:2006-08-12
TX
1 edit | reply to Omega
Re: Speed vs. Ping
400ms ping? are talking about clearw re? then yes...
but most WISPs have realy low pings. |
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pbaldwin
join:2002-12-17
Dupo, IL | reply to Omega
I'm on a WISP and get 45 ms pings to DSLR all day long. Play games on-line all the time and use Vonage with no problems. It appears you don't quite know what you say.  |
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Brianv5
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Keyser, WV | His own site doesn't work
Next Gen? How about basic HTML for God's sake. Doesn't make you look all that great when your own site doesn't work.
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LinuxJunkie
join:2005-01-19
Cyberspace
1 edit | Pretty Good Chance in Next 10 Years
All I have to say is who ever thought ten years ago that one day we'd see 1 TB hard drives? Now we will probably be seeing them by the end of this year since Seagate released their 750 GB perpendicular recording drive.
Maybe after the 802.11n spec is finally approved and they start working on the "next generation" of wireless (which will probably take an additional 5 - 10 years at the rate they move) I feel there's a pretty good chance we will see 100 Mbps+ wirelessly. |
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lucky644
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join:2002-02-04 | reply to Omega
Re: Speed vs. Ping
I've never seen a ping that high unless there was heavy network traffic. |
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footballdude
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join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
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Re: tell me something i don't know
said by kdandaoc :" a combination of un-net savvy, financially compromised politicians and an apathetic FCC will keep wired networks relatively slow for now. Hasn't this been the case for some time now? Seems to me the thing keeping wired networks so slow is that it's damn expensive to crank the speeds up. Politicians deserve a lot of blame for a lot of ills but it's not their fault that laying and maintaining vast networks is a big undertaking.
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viperm
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join:2002-07-09
Winchester, CA
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Re: i don't think it's completely unreasonable
I dont know who you have been talking to about wireless but we have customers pulling 5 + megs from our sites.
I just installed a customer today ran some speed tests to our own internal servers getting ^ + megs down and about 4 up at about 15 miles from our site.
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beat_the_taxes
@verizon.net | do an end run dance
I'd sure wish wireless providers did an end-run around traditional ceullar voice service with voip over wireless broadband.. it would sure do an "end-run" around traditional piggy bank tactics every little taxing authority has on your wallet! |
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
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Re: Speed vs. Ping
said by Omega :I don't know how this network will work, but it has been my experience that wireless networks have horrible ping time. I would much rather have 1.5mbps @ 25-150ms ping than a wireless 100mbps network @ 400ms ping. I think you are confusing wireless with satellite. Although satellite is a form of wireless I guess.. 
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | reply to TKJunkMail
Re: i don't think it's completely unreasonable
You can also connect to your local ISP wirelessly using a special antenna. All you need is a line of sight and they can provide you up to 100mbps up and down. But it's not something a customer can afford, since prices are around that of a T1 and up. |
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Air WAV
join:2000-09-16
Saint Louis, MO
| Ken is not so far off...
Our wireless in St. Louis can get up to 9 mbps with latency as low as 12 ms. I am curious to see how he incorporates mesh technology to increase speed. To me this means that there is substantial redundancy on the network.
I know of several RF radios that will do 100 mbps ptp, so why not multi-point?
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SpookyET
join:2001-04-30
Lawrenceville, GA | BellSouth Dialup 2.0
So, BellSouth are selling Dialup 2.0 over fiber optics with their shitty 1.5 IFITL. |
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grandpinaple
join:2006-01-03
New York, NY | reply to Michieru2
Re: i don't think it's completely unreasonable
I am a bit concerned about latency and reliability. Care to elaborate? |
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Michieru2
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL
1 edit | Reliability will most likely be greater since you are not physically attached with wires. All you need is your responder and a power supply to connect.
If power goes out you can always back that up with a generator with voltage regulator or with a UPS backup and your connection would be up and running just fine. Unlike if a pole snaps across the street and now your block is without phone service. Even if the CO on the other end is running just fine your link is broken. So that's advantageous over any wired network.
Latency depends on the technology used there is canopy, EV-DO Rev A, RF, and more from what I heard. I can't give you more information than what I know since I am currently looking into that data myself. But there is a WISP forum here, if anything we would find our answer there from people who actually own the equipment.
I at least know Canopy operates somewhere in the 5.8Ghz range.
EDIT: I know this is not a reliable source but here >> »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canopy_%28wireless%29 |
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