jeffjs
join:2000-12-11
US |  When?
I wonder how long it will be before I see broadcast video transmitted throughout my home over HPNA or MOCA?
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Jetoni
Premium
join:2001-04-18
West Springfield, MA | I'll have a Moca please! |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| MoCA is the obvious choice
Given that data connectivity within the home is rapidly moving to all-wireless, while video is still firmly stuck with coax, it makes infinite sense to use coax as the transport medium. Everyone will already have a coax connector near their TVs, but may well not have a nearby phone connector. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | HomePNA?
What does ATT have a surplus of RJ11 they are trying to get rid of? What a crappy technology!
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LostInWoods
join:2004-04-14
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Re: When?
MoCA and HPNA are for data transport, not broadcast video.
They both attempt to solve the "last room" problem, which is that you have 100 Mbit+ available at the NID, but the telcos don't want to add the expense of running ethernet cabling in the house to make it usable to the subscriber. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| said by LostInWoods  :MoCA and HPNA are for data transport, not broadcast video. Not wholly true, since video is moving to IPTV which is data the same as any other data. AT&T are currently using IPTV instead of broadcast for all Project Lightspeed video, and while Verizon only currently use IPTV for VOD, that will change.
Verizon have been using MoCA for IPTV video data since day-one of FiOS TV. They are now starting to use it also to avoid internal Cat 5e wiring which is what the quoted news item was referring to. Both uses can coexist meaning that an entire data and video installation can be done using coax and wireless, without needing any Cat 5e. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| reply to inteller
Re: HomePNA?
said by inteller :What does ATT have a surplus of RJ11 they are trying to get rid of? What a crappy technology! No - more a lack of brain cells that can think more than two years into the future. All AT&Ts data and video plans (i.e. Project Lightspeed) come across as a half-baked stop-gap measure that isn't at all future proof. |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| running cat5 isn't that hard is it?
OK why are they so interested in running coax all of a sudden if they're already running cat5 now?
Why didn't they start with coax to begin with? So if I understand it right, the path would go fiber to coax to small run of cat5 at your computer? I guess that'd work. |
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jeffjs
join:2000-12-11
US | reply to LostInWoods
Re: When?
I guess you don't know what MOCA is, and you didn't read the story.
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  Put in for Cat5 .........
Even if you have to pay for it yourself, don't use anything but Cat5 for your Internet connection. Better yet, run Cat6 throughout your house in conduit. No matter what anyone says, Wireless will never give you the bandwidth or reliability of Hardwire or Fiber.
I ran in Cat5 Networking in my house 6 years ago, now I can share my High Speed with two Computers and a Server, and Multimedia. I'm able to stream HD Video, Music, and Photos to my Entertainment Center, which is built around a 62" DLP Widescreen TV. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
| reply to kd6cae
Re: running cat5 isn't that hard is it?
said by kd6cae :OK why are they so interested in running coax all of a sudden if they're already running cat5 now? They aren't. What they are interested in is using the existing coax that is already there. You say that running Cat 5 isn't hard, but, in general, running any internal wiring is an expensive exercise, especially when trying to achieve a good cosmetic effect. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to kd6cae
They'rerunning nothing. The MOCA and HPNA is only for utilizing existing runs. New runs would be CAT5e. |
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DMS1
join:2005-04-06
Carrollton, TX
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Re: Put in for Cat5 .........
said by alchav :Even if you have to pay for it yourself, don't use anything but Cat5 for your Internet connection. So, if you use a cable modem then I guess you must have strung Cat 5 cable back to the HFC node, or if you're using DSL you have connected it directly to the CO.
Verizon, and as far as I'm aware, AT&T aren't advocating using existing cabling for your entire home network, though for many people this would be the preferred solution. Instead, they are using it to firstly get their WAN connection into your house, and secondly to get data connectivity to TV STBs. There is nothing to stop you making the connection from your computers back to your internet router using Cat 5, Cat 6 or Cat 372 if you so choose. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | HPNA dead
isnt HPNA dead? Where can I get as a consumer a HPNA 3 (over 10mbs) device that isnt integrated into something else and proprietory? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to jeffjs
Re: When?
I currently have PoE which is 200 Mbps over 110V. Multiple standards.. multiple issues. |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK
| reply to patcat88
Re: HPNA dead
you can't. I went to the HPNA site and no one is offering devices that are v3. Hell if 3.0 hpna actually worked why would we need wireless? I think either the technology isnt really there or the Wi-Fi alliance paid them off. Who WOULDN'T want to take advantage of existing wiring free of RF interference that sinks wifi.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | What a mess.
It used to be *One System, it Works*. Now it is a cluster intercourse with a patchwork network and the US of A is free falling compared to the rest of the world. |
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Tom517
join:2006-07-13
Greenville, SC | Packet shapes...
They use the term "home networking" as if enterprise network packets are square and home network packets are round. (On the other hand, round packets probably cost less and don't cut the insulation going around corners.) |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Tom517 :They use the term "home networking" as if enterprise network packets are square and home network packets are round. (On the other hand, round packets probably cost less and don't cut the insulation going around corners.) Round packets slide through the tubes easier. |
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jeffjs
join:2000-12-11
US
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to DMS1
Re: running cat5 isn't that hard is it?
said by kd6cae : in general, running any internal wiring is an expensive exercise, especially when trying to achieve a good cosmetic effect. Also, the average service call to install CAT5 in a home is over 4 hours! No one wants a sweaty service guy in your home for over 4 hours.
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