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Mount Airy, MD | That's the Price of Living In the Middle of Nowhere I suppose in such places that the nearest grocery store or McDonalds is a good hike away. There might also be no water or sewage service either, or any trash pickup for that matter. Perhaps this paper could write another useless article telling people what they already know.
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Fargo, ND | In north dakota you have communities under 500 with fiber or at least 1 meg dsl. It all comes down your local governments ability to keep the qwests out of the area and staying with a cooperative. |
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| Wireless only slight improvement? How can wireless only be a slight improvement over dial-up? Some companies offer very high speeds and its here to stay. WiMax is just a different flavor of wireless to begin with.
And as far as cellular if they're as many dead spots as he says then why are cellular coverage maps cover Texas instead of being blank? He might not have done is research. |
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Re: That's the Price of Living In the Middle of Nowhere This comment by the reporter does bring up an interesting question:
The cost of the equipment alone ranges between $300 to $600 and that doesn't touch the monthly bill. The monthly bill can run about $50 or more. I'll bet many, if not most, of these people who would supposedly balk at this upfront cost have satellite TV access from DirecTV or Dish and have laid out an equivalent fee upfront for TV access. I guess it depends on what your priorities are.
Also, modern browsers can counteract that latency issue by using their built-in feature to preload links on a page so that the delay isn't there. Also a good browser caching algorithm can cut down on problems while using satellite internet access.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to jhh
said by jhh:In north dakota you have communities under 500 with fiber or at least 1 meg dsl. It all comes down your local governments ability to keep the qwests out of the area and staying with a cooperative. Well, if fiber and broadband is that important to someone, then they should move to where such services are provided.
Articles like these remind me of people who move to small towns because they like the quaintness and other silly things. These people then start whining when they do have to drive 20 miles to the grocery store, 10 miles to get gas, 30 miles to the bank, etc. It is not the fault of these companies that said people chose to live so far away from civilization.
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Allen, TX | reply to pnh102
Re: That's the Price of Living In the Middle of Nowhere Well said. I used to be in that boat, living in a small town because we thought it would be a great place to grow up, when all it did was make other life more enviable and ours frustrating. |
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Hell... Nacogdoches is a college town, not quite as middle of nowhere as this makes it sound.
If you live within the city area, you have DSL/Cable like everyone else (I did when I lived there). Outside of town, it is true, you do not have access to high speed internet. It is rural in the south and east sense of rural - not in the West sense of rural. There's no way, for example, to get lost for days in East TX unless you're dumb. Keeping going in a straight line and you'll find somebody somewhere. It's a crowded rural.
That said, yeah, dialup is probably best. Cingular offers very good cell phone coverage of the area - even the rural bits - but cell internet isn't going to be on the new data networks, so it'll be no faster than a telephone. |
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said by Linklist:This comment by the reporter does bring up an interesting question: The cost of the equipment alone ranges between $300 to $600 and that doesn't touch the monthly bill. The monthly bill can run about $50 or more. I'll bet many, if not most, of these people who would supposedly balk at this upfront cost have satellite TV access from DirecTV or Dish and have laid out an equivalent fee upfront for TV access. I guess it depends on what your priorities are. Also, modern browsers can counteract that latency issue by using their built-in feature to preload links on a page so that the delay isn't there. Also a good browser caching algorithm can cut down on problems while using satellite internet access. I balk at that price as well as the price for the service itself when used inconjunction with the FAP. Not sure what Sat service your talking about, but the price for us to get Sat TV here in NY was a total of $50 with the 1 year commitment that they have (not like we have much choice when it comes to TV).
Back to the service itself and the FAP. We're a family of 7 total in this house. Two adults and 5 children. Three of the children are now in school and computer type homework is very much on the rise. Now think about 5 of us trying to stay under the FAP of say Direcway? It would never happen. My wife and while we download music here and there, it's not a pastime of ours, we could easily go over the FAP. It's designed for light browsers and e-mail people, not a family such as ours. Wildblue, while we're unable to get it here as of right now, would be much worse.
We moved here with the notion from Verizon that DSL would be here within a year of us moving. We were pressed for a place to live and only had 30 days to find a place. Long story short, we moved 6 hours away from where we were and still waiting for a service that we're very unlikely to see. People say, if you want broadband, just move. It really isn't that simple of a thing to do, especially not with a large family. Plus, broadband isn't a high enough priority to make us move. The negatives of moving far outweigh the positives here.
So please, think before you tell someone to just move, it isn't always such an easy thing to do.
Tkjunkmail, the move part isn't directed at you. |
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Re: Blimpband? agreed. satellites are costly and the technology has been eclipsed a few years after its launch. |
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Council Bluffs, IA | reply to pnh102
Re: That's the Price of Living In the Middle of Nowhere Agreed. Live in the rural area, don't expect to get the best things around. Thats the price you pay for not being around people. Deal with it, or move to suburbia america where you can get options. Don't whine. |
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I will say it again What is need is a government program similar to the Rural Electrification program of the 30's, 40's and early 50's. The debate back in the 30's about bring electricity to the farm and ranch was very much like the debate today about rural broadband. If in the country you are stuck, then you are flat out of luck.
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Re: Wireless only slight improvement? Coverage maps are accurate only in the macro sense. If there's a hill in the way, or if you're down in a valley, no bars for you. It's not that coverage isn't available generally in that area, it's just that there are "cold spots" that you might be unlucky enough to live in.
100% (as in every square foot) coverage of a geographic region is probably impossible, unless you're talking West Texas or South Florida. |
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Re: That's the Price of Living In the Middle of Nowhere said by LoneGreyWolf:I balk at that price as well as the price for the service itself when used in conjunction with the FAP. Back to the service itself and the FAP. We're a family of 7 total in this house. Two adults and 5 children. Three of the children are now in school and computer type homework is very much on the rise. Now think about 5 of us trying to stay under the FAP of say Direcway? It would never happen. My wife and while we download music here and there, it's not a pastime of ours, we could easily go over the FAP. It's designed for light browsers and e-mail people, not a family such as ours. The download MB/time limits(FAP) do restrict you somewhat. And if you are going to try and get into lots of P2P access, you would be limited in your access. But according to this web site(not a DirecWay site), you really will be able to do most things fairly well. »www.copperhead.cc/fap.htm
While not the ultimate best solution, the satellite internet option is viable for many people without access to cable, DSL, or wireless infrastructures. And the amount of money(while not trivial) is definitely affordable for most. It is surely cheaper than moving. 
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:I suppose in such places that the nearest grocery store or McDonalds is a good hike away. There might also be no water or sewage service either, or any trash pickup for that matter. Perhaps this paper could write another useless article telling people what they already know. i dont have water or sewer from the city(besides city water tastes like pool water), but im in the suburbs with DSL and Cable avail.
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Colorado Springs, CO | reply to Transmaster
Re: I will say it again What is not needed is another government program, another tax on other people to support a few. The free market/economics will solve the problem. These people can still go online that is the bottom line.
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Atlanta, GA | reply to Transmaster
said by Transmaster:What is need is a government program similar to the Rural Electrification program of the 30's, 40's and early 50's. The REA is still more or less around in the form of the RUS, and loans and other funding are there for those who want to take it. Unfortunately, there are all sorts of conditions attached to RUS money that run some companies away.
The bigger problem, of course, is companies that simply don't care about rural areas. In general, as jhh noted earlier, areas served by small mom-and-pop or co-op phone companies don't have the issues with poor broadband availability that those served by larger phone companies, and the Baby Bells in particular, do. (Oddly, for the most part, the reverse is true for cable -- most large MSOs have HSI across their footprint except in extremely isolated or rural areas, while quite a few rural mom-and-pop cable companies are still running one-way plant that only goes up to 300 or 350 MHz.)
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Re: I will say it again said by stevephl:What is not needed is another government program, another tax on other people to support a few. The free market/economics will solve the problem. These people can still go online that is the bottom line. Steve in Colorado Yes they can go online with, if they are lucky, a 24k connection on a internet that now designed to run on much higher speeds. It is a choice people have to make for now. As for market forces fixing the problem, yes it might in about 20+ years. It is going to take seed money like the recent posting about the very small town of 458 in population getting a grant to install fiber. In the meantime the big boys are clustering around the big city's like flies gathering on fresh cow poop. In Wyoming We know all about bull shi'a the big Telco's have been trying to feed it to us for years.  What is needed is a modern version of the barbwire network, let's see barbed fiber yes that should do it  . back in the 1890's there where phone systems that ran on barbwire fences.
I personally have loaded up miles long sections of barbwire along highways here with my HF rigs. Running 160 meters on 8 to 10 miles of unbroken fencing along a highway makes for a very interesting night of RF rag-chewing.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to LoneGreyWolf
Re: That's the Price of Living In the Middle of Nowhere said by LoneGreyWolf:We moved here with the notion from Verizon that DSL would be here within a year of us moving. We were pressed for a place to live and only had 30 days to find a place. Long story short, we moved 6 hours away from where we were and still waiting for a service that we're very unlikely to see. People say, if you want broadband, just move. I just bought a house myself, and the first thing on the list of qualifiers was broadband, if a listing's address did not come up in either Verizon's database or did not have cable modem service, it was off the list.
Now there will always be a few exceptions to every rule, but for most situations, the availability or lack of a particular service is a function of one's own choice.
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