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SupCap Supreme Captain join:2003-11-06 Johnston, IA clubs:	Good Job Karl Excellent Editorial Karl. I think you did an excellent job discussing why this is wrong, regardless of if you are pro or con the various issues. One thing I think we do too much of is bitch about our politicians, and not let them know. E-mail or call your Senators office! Let them know what you think about this! »www.senate.gov/general/contact_i···_cfm.cfm -- Jesus wears a bracelet with the letters WWSCD on it. So he never forgets to ask himself.. What would Supreme Captain Do?
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fundamentalz The Basics Premium join:2004-04-30 Moorpark, CA	The shock! What is this? Politicians being shady? What has the world come to! I've pretty much lost faith in our elected representatives at this point, so news like this comes to me as no surprise. Sad really, since the Senate is frequently cited for its great debates. -- I subscribe to the theory of intellectual osmosis. Unfortunately, I must now cease our conversation and move away from you before my intelligence begins to drop. Good day.
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast 1 edit	Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase The Senate committee had months of hearings and the debate period is over. They made their decision. Further debate is wasted effort. And now they are doing what politicians also do - building Senate and public support for the decision they have already reached. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page
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RadioDoc 58ef2c0 Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11	Precisely.
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chemaupr join:2005-06-06 Alexandria, VA	reply to SupCap Re: Good Job Karl Agree! the same effort we put here complaining we should use to contact our senators and let them know how we feel. Use the word constituency the seem to love it,,,
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Zoder join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL	reply to TKJunkMail Re: Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase said by TKJunkMail : And now they are doing what politicians also do - building Senate and public support for the decision they have already reached. Through misinformation and FUD. Stevens knows that a number of Democrats are adamant about keeping his bill from passing before the end of the year and the 109th Congress comes to a close. So he's using every tactic in the book to get the 60 votes he needs to defeat a filibuster. Even if some are dishonest like these survey results.
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rachelsfx join:2004-09-27 Pensacola, FL	reply to SupCap Devil's Advocate Maybe those polled did not understand it (Net Neutrality) in the first place? Stevens, a relic and an idiot, certainly doesn't calling the Net a "series of tubes." I do think everything about quicker deployment should be allowed. If states want to stall progress to protect this and that, maybe some framework should be designed for disputes. QOS is never going to work anyway. New Technologies will kill it.
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Zoder join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL	Poll funded by Verizon According to the press release issued by the Senate Committee, the poll was fund by Verizon. It's the 2nd to last line in the link Karl provided.
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast	reply to Zoder Re: Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase said by Zoder : said by TKJunkMail : And now they are doing what politicians also do - building Senate and public support for the decision they have already reached. Through misinformation and FUD. Stevens knows that a number of Democrats are adamant about keeping his bill from passing before the end of the year and the 109th Congress comes to a close. So he's using every tactic in the book to get the 60 votes he needs to defeat a filibuster. Even if some are dishonest like these survey results. And this comes as a surprise? That is what politicians do. They do anything that is LEGAL (and sometimes what is barely legal) to win. Politics isn't a game for the squeamish and ethics has very little to do with it. It has always been such, back to the days of the Ancient Romans and Greeks. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page
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Zoder join:2002-04-16 Miami, FL	No I'm not surprised. But I'd like to see the other side in the Senate call him out on it.
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en102 Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA ·RoadRunner Cable ·DSL EXTREME 1 edit	reply to fundamentalz Re: The shock! Some portions of this poll do not go together.. e.g. 'Higher quality programming, such as high definition television and video on demand'. Higer quality programming may mean to some less Jerry Springer, and more PBS. Programming != video on demand or HDTV. 'Create a "Consumer bill of rights" that guarantees full access to legal content on the Internet and prohibits blocking degrading, altering, modifying or altering the data that consumers send or receive over the Internet.' I'd like to see the outcome of this.. I expect that providers will sell 2 different products. One as an Internet like service for cheap, with bells, whistles, proxies, etc. and one that's a bare boned, somewhat pricey Internet service where everything is a-la-carte. Also, according to the poll, 91:7 haven't heard of net-neutrality
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TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ ·Sprint Mobile Broa.. ·Comcast 1 edit	reply to chemaupr Re: Good Job Karl said by chemaupr : Agree! the same effort we put here complaining we should use to contact our senators and let them know how we feel. Now that is something that can work, if you get enough people to care and then act. -- -- Join Red Room Forum BLOG tkjunkmail.blogspot.com My Web Page
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grandpinaple join:2006-01-03 New York, NY	reply to TKJunkMail Re: Debate period over; Senate now in consensus building phase And you think this is acceptable? Really what is Karl supposed to do sit down and accept the ass fucking? It's called civic engagement whether it be through the media (such as DSLR a decent tech news website) or actual protest. Either way it is the way legal change in this country has occured for the past two hundred years. It doesn't come as a surprise, it comes as part of a laundry list of grievances that the netizens of this country have. The fact that they are using this to build support for a possible corrupt position is the issue not a question of the fact that they are building support through pr campaigns. I don't support net neutrality, but that isn't the question the question is the masking effect the senate is trying to achieve by looking like they are pro consumer.
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fiberguy My views are my own. Premium join:2005-05-20	reply to SupCap Re: Good Job Karl Yes.. good job. And, to add.. push polling is done more than not these days. There's been much debate over the validity of polls and surveys, etc. A poll is only as good as the organization conducting them and the questions asked. Penn & Teller's BullShit program did an episode on pollsters last season. I forget who it was, but one of the major and well respected polsters in this country, pews? Can't remember, admitted to push polling to achieve the results their clients wanted. This is why I do not pay attention to polls. Really, there is no real need to poll in masses. Really, there are consumer friendly ways to do business and still make money. These yahoos just need to stop listening to their marketing staffers and do the right thing. There's something to be said about building the better mouse trap.. (ie: product)... if you build it, they WILL come. If you manipulate people, they will run. -- "Wipe out the national deficit over night... Tax the stupid!" - about 50 gMail invites available. PM if you'd like one.
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sonofjay Mission Accomplished - Bush May 1, 2003 Premium,MVM join:2001-05-14 North Attleboro, MA	reply to SupCap AGREED! Nice work Karl! Unbelievable and complete utter nonsense that this goes on and no one is held accountable. -- Mission Accomplished
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SupCap Supreme Captain join:2003-11-06 Johnston, IA clubs:	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : said by chemaupr : Agree! the same effort we put here complaining we should use to contact our senators and let them know how we feel. Now that is something that can work, if you get enough people to care and then act. Somewhat off topic... I am somewhat active in local politics. I have to tell you, that phone calls and stuff like really do work. Senators and Reps are so used to getting calls from the same people over and over, that when a new REAL (ie not an activist or lobbyist type) person calls it gets more attention than you would think. I have heard some staffers make the comment that 1% of callers make up 90% of the volume. I am a very jaded individual when it comes to politics mind you. Just adding my 2cents about calls. -- Jesus wears a bracelet with the letters WWSCD on it. So he never forgets to ask himself.. What would Supreme Captain Do?
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peter_m Premium join:2005-07-13 Canada, QC	Poll question is bias This proves to me one thing that transcends net neutrality, that polls are easily manipulated to favor one side or the other. The phrasing of the two choices that are presented is simply shocking. I will never accept a poll at face value until I read the actual question presented in the poll.
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tdar join:2004-04-05 Satellite Beach, FL	reply to SupCap Re: Good Job Karl said by SupCap : Excellent Editorial Karl. I think you did an excellent job discussing why this is wrong, regardless of if you are pro or con the various issues. One thing I think we do too much of is bitch about our politicians, and not let them know. E-mail or call your Senators office! Let them know what you think about this! »www.senate.gov/general/contact_i···_cfm.cfm Better yet make sure to let them know when you call that this is the type of behaviour that is going to cause you to vote them out of office in just a few days. We will not change this until we change the power of control in this body.
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ONiall Yum, Citizen Premium join:2002-11-18 Portland, OR clubs:	a good reference thank you for this article. this poll will provide source material when i contact my state's senators in the morning. -- i drink with bears for weekend carnivals.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs: ·Verizon Online DSL	You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Giving the NSA the keys to your information was not done because the government asked for them. It was let's make a deal. The people wanted hustle a buck, deregulated companies building and running the nation's network. The people elected Bush TWICE. The people got what they wanted and yet the people weep.
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