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Comments on news posted 2006-10-08 11:49:55: There was some significant annoyance among our security forum regulars this week for Microsoft's decision to award the MVP tag to Patchou, AKA Cyril Paciullo, creator of Messenger Plus! While the app itself wasn't malware, Paciullo profited from malw.. ..

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Scree
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reply to ph03n1x
Re: Regarding Messenger Plus!

said by ph03n1x See Profile :

"Capitalizing on the ignorance of the end-user...."

I see things differently. While the industry as a whole should be blamed for the spyware fiasco because we've provided all this technology to people who know little to nothing about it, it's time we start assigning some level of blame for the growing menace to the consistent ignorance of end users. Far far too many computer "users" refuse to learn squat about the complicated machine they have sitting on their desks.
I have to agree! The line drawn for blame gets worse and worse because of the naiveté of end users. So it's the author's fault for including a completely optional thing, and watchdogs claim he's hoping people who don't know any better will install it because of their inexperience or "tech fear"? Well duh! How is that preying on end users? It's like shareware, you release something hoping people will pay for it. Is that preying on honest people who keep using it? lol So I guess the argument is even "optional" is scary to people who don't know better and decide "oh I better install this too anyway so nothing goes wrong." Well come on, that's their fault!


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said by Scree See Profile :

How is that preying on end users? It's like shareware, you release something hoping people will pay for it. Is that preying on honest people who keep using it?
Because it's not adware - which anybody should be free to install - but terrible spyware in the guise of something benign.

It's fraudulent labeling.
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sadowski
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Re: MVP

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As I understand it (and I am probably wrong) MVP status goes to those who forward MS's party line the most.
Yep, you are very wrong. Some of the most critical people of Microsoft products are Microsoft MVPs.

What distinguishes an MVP is his/her willingness to assist others and share their own knowledge. And generally this is done with great diligence both in accuracy and effort, and also in frequency with some MVPs posting thousands of helpful replies year after year in the public newsgroups, for example, not just an occasional helpful reply now and then.

An MVP award is granted based on one's participation in the community not on one's politics, corporate affiliation or educational background, etc. No one investigates whether you are a nice guy or are also packaging questionable software in your stuff. So in this case the guy probably deserved the award for his P2P support and probably deserves to be tarred at the same time for his other activities. It's a simple as that. No grand conspiracy, no 'test' or subterfuge and nothing nefarious.
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I still remember the Microsoft Mail update fiasco around 1994 when all the programmers were pulled off of our promised fix to work on the 'Kill Netscape' project. I hope you will pardon me for being slightly cynical when it comes to MS's goodwill and intentions, including this current episode.
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sadowski
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MVPs are not Microsoft. In fact, if an MVP should go to work for Microsoft they leave the MVP program.


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Re: Hmmm...

said by dadkins See Profile :

Well, there are a couple Microsoft "MVPs"(one in particular) that frequent this site that I wouldn't allow to LOOK at my machines, let alone touch them.

It seems that "The Bar" is set rather low.
Microsoft MVPs are not awarded for some general technical proficiency but rather in specific categories. Some of those categories are technical such as the Win32 Drivers SDK and some are product categories such as Publisher.

One would not first go to a Publisher MVP about a driver issue or a Windows Live MVP for a security issue... though many MVPs are proficient in multiple areas, some are not and I know of no one who is proficient in all areas. Do you?
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ph03n1x

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reply to dadkins
Re: Regarding Messenger Plus!

Thanks! I never had seen that button before..


ph03n1x

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Thanks!

RayW
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Re: MVP

Never though so.


rachelsfx

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Re: Anyone really care; except person getting MVP tags?

MVP = Most Valuable Phisher????


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Re: Regarding Messenger Plus!

said by ph03n1x See Profile :

The program ONLY installs LOP if you agree to the sponsor installation.

The bottom line is that the option is clearly laid out for you and therefore if LOP gets installed along with Messenger Plus! Live, it is a user error for either not paying attention or not knowing any better.


The second bottom line is that, if you don't install the "sponsor" (malware), Patchou gets no compensation. This means that he's throwing malware out there just like a spammer, knowing that 99% of the folks will refuse the malware (spam), and hoping to catch the 1% that don't refuse it. And the folks that are targeted by MP are the ones least suited for the content delivered when it's installed.

Another problem is that MVPs have access to information that the public doesn't. Having a known malware writer / collaborator with access to non-public information would not encourage the information from being shared as it is today. A lot of MVP discussions wouldn't happen.
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Re: Anyone really care; except person getting MVP tags?

said by AB See Profile :

It means something to me, and I am neither jealous nor think I deserve an Award.
When I see 'Microsoft MVP' next to someone's name, it tells me that maybe they have an idea of what they are speaking about, and therefore could quite possibly be worth listening to. Doesn't mean they are right every time, or that their words should be taken as if spoken from 'on high', but it does mean that they have earned a degree of respect for their position on whatever matter.
If Microsoft were to convey that Award upon someone involved in the purveyance or distribution of malware, it would affect my perception of all MVP Awardees in a negative fashion. This may be part of what rankled the current MVP title holders.
Just my take on it.
Those are my feelings about it also. For those of us who have been learning by trial and error, seeing that MVP annotation is reassuring because we know that at least we have a better chance of getting correct helpful information.
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reply to sadowski
Re: Hmmm...

Possibly, never asked - not important to me.
I am asking why this assclown was awarded the MVP when he is a freakin malware spreader.

Is there no level of competence or can any spammer/virus writer/malware vendor get a Microsoft MVP award?

Sure, Microsoft pulled the award... why was it awarded in the first place?

Community ethics non-existant?

What does this say about the other Microsoft MVPs?
This is supposed to be an achievement so the masses might have a little faith in what a Microsoft MVP has to say, right?
Would YOU allow this flake to get to your computer?
Tell you how to fix your machine?
For a short time there he *WAS* a Microsoft MVP!

In his "spare time" he was slamming LOP on people's computers and some of the other MVPs were praising him for his program. WTF?

Sure craps on the whole MS MVP thing, huh?
No offense to my MVP friends, but this sure threw a wrench in the works!
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sadowski
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Possibly, never asked - not important to me.
I am asking why this assclown was awarded the MVP when he is a freakin malware spreader.

Is there no level of competence or can any spammer/virus writer/malware vendor get a Microsoft MVP award?

Sure, Microsoft pulled the award... why was it awarded in the first place?
I explained in a previous message how selection is made.
Community ethics non-existant?

What does this say about the other Microsoft MVPs?
This is supposed to be an achievement so the masses might have a little faith in what a Microsoft MVP has to say, right?
Would YOU allow this flake to get to your computer?
Tell you how to fix your machine?
For a short time there he *WAS* a Microsoft MVP!
A Windows Live - Messenger MVP. Nothing to do with fixing machines.

In his "spare time" he was slamming LOP on people's computers and some of the other MVPs were praising him for his program. WTF?
Praising Plus which is an achievement. He wasn't slamming just distributing the garbageware for $$$$.
Sure craps on the whole MS MVP thing, huh?
No more than Foley crapped on the entire Republican party - ignoring what they may or may not have known or done - or all politicians (though that might be a good thing ).

As someone who spent several years as an Microsoft MVP I don't feel diminished by it at all.

No offense to my MVP friends, but this sure threw a wrench in the works!

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