russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
1 edit | Spamhaus.org.uk anyone?
I'm no fan of rabid anti-spammers who are willing to block the entire net to keep a piece of spam from going through, but I'm less a fan of this sort of abuse of jurisdiction. |
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celeritypc
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| It Just Goes to Show..
what a bunch of scumbags these spammers are. I use Spamhaus as one of my black hole lists and it works great. I still get a large volume of spam but much less than I would. I want to know what the court has been smoking. Let's call a spade a spade and be done with it. These types of suits are what will bring the internet down faster than any government regulation or net-neutrality issue. |
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Erwin_D
join:2003-06-30
Netherlands
| Heh...
So the court order either ICANN or Tucows (Spamhaus' registrar) to suspend Spamhaus...
Note how this court order only order "www.spamhaus.org" to be blocked, so rbl-xbl.spamhaus.org should be ok  |
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cevans59
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Smithton, IL | Proposed Order
Note that this is only a proposed order submitted by the plaintiff and is meaningless unless the judge signs it.
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Re: Heh...
said by Erwin_D  :So the court order either ICANN or Tucows (Spamhaus' registrar) to suspend Spamhaus... Note how this court order only order " www.spamhaus.org" to be blocked, so rbl-xbl.spamhaus.org should be ok It was a PROPOSED order. It can be amended to get the technical pieces correct. And the oder would probably be modified to suspend the entire domain "spamhaus.org", including all its aliases.
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Jameson
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boognish
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Baton Rouge, LA
clubs: | hopefully ICANN will not do this
If iCANN actually does suspend the name then that just gives a valid argument as to why ICANN should not be under US control. |
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Maxo
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clubs: | Good to know.
Good to know the Government is out fighting the good fight.  |
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DMWCincy
join:2004-04-27
Fairfield, OH
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Re: hopefully ICANN will not do this
Agreed. As much as I rather have the US control ICANN instead of the UN, I can only hope the courts don't have the power to force ICANN to do their bidding. The number of lawsuits that will start having everything turned off(XXX sites, hacking/cracking sites, etc) that exist over seas and legal there would be unimaginable. I bet the RIAA is foaming at the mouth watching this one. |
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dcurrey
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join:2004-06-29 | reply to boognish
I hate to say it I agree with this. ICANN shouldn't be a puppet of the US Court System. |
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HangTheSCUM
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Jim Gurd
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1 edit | reply to russotto
Re: Spamhaus.co.uk anyone?
That seems like the solution right there. I hope they have reserved that domain name just in case. If they are smart they will start making the transition right now.
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soccerguy
join:2004-06-28
Seattle, WA
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Re: Heh...
I love how everyone gets their panties in a bunch about a proposed order.  It's a proposed order. Submitted by the plaintiff for consideration. It's not an order from the court itself.  |
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Krispy
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1 edit | Sad..
Sad but predictable given the justice system these days. I hear all kinds of stories about how law enforcement can't get known child exploitation and fraud sites taken down in other countries but somehow this warrants petitions to ICANN?
Spamhaus publishes an excellent list that my company chooses to use, Spamhaus has NEVER even contacted us to ask us to use it, we voluntarily use it because we don't want to reinvent the wheel and dedicate resources to compile a list of the same IPs. If Spamhaus goes bye-bye (which I seriously hope will not happen) we'll just have to dedicate resources to manually collecting IP address of spammers like e360insight and then manually input them into our filters.
We've used Spamhaus for years and to date we've received no credible complaints of legitimate email being blocked from our ~300K customers so I fail to see who is complaining that e360insight's important messages are not getting to them.
A case of the squeaky wheel gets the oil and once again a waste of tax payer money and potentially a ruling that will leverage additional costs upon your ISP ergo you.
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FiL
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Silver Spring, MD
| Last I remember, the court order was ready to bloom because the Spamhaus rep didnt show up for a court case that doesnt have jurisdiction over them. Thats wy this craps still going on.
Right to a speedy trial. Yea right. Only when the Judge needs to alleviate himself of crap. But then that'd be every second of the day! |
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RichardB4
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Re: Spamhaus.co.uk anyone?
It is not an abuse of jurisdiction. If you conduct or interfere with business in the United states, you are subject to the laws of the United States. The same goes for our companies doing business abroad. |
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bassdude
join:2001-05-18
Bedford, MA
1 edit | reply to Erwin_D
Re: Heh...
said by Erwin_D :So the court order either ICANN or Tucows (Spamhaus' registrar) to suspend Spamhaus... Note how this court order only order " www.spamhaus.org" to be blocked, so rbl-xbl.spamhaus.org should be ok Tucows is a Canadian company so the court can't order them to do anything, well they can but Tucows is under no obligation to listen.
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karlmarx
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Re: Spamhaus.co.uk anyone?
Abuse of jurisdiction? Of COURSE it's abuse of juridsction. The company has no presence in the US. Exactly how does a US court have 'juridstiction' over a company that isn't based in the US.
You need to get a clue. Spamhause is in the right. A US court has NO RIGHT to prosecute a foreign company. And foreign courts have no right to prosecute US companies. How would you feel if a north korean court convicted YOU of crimes against the state? It would be a bullshit case. And the spamhause case is exactly the same crap. |
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AmeritecTech
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Re: Heh...
said by bassdude :said by Erwin_D :So the court order either ICANN or Tucows (Spamhaus' registrar) to suspend Spamhaus... Note how this court order only order " www.spamhaus.org" to be blocked, so rbl-xbl.spamhaus.org should be ok Tucows is a Canadian company so the court can't order them to do anything, well they can but Tucows is under no obligation to listen. If Tucows doesn't comply, ICANN can suspend their domain.
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raccettura
join:2002-09-28
USA
| It's out of reach
From what I remember sitting through legal environments....
There's no question Spamhaus is legally out of reach.
They have *no* business presence or activity in the US, meaning they are not bound to US law. Simply because US customers use their service doesn't make them obligated to abide by US law...
If a company has a presence in a foreign country (like Yahoo in Europe) it's bound to their laws.
US companies who use the list may be subject to the courts decision... but I'd like to see the court go after everyone that uses the list.
I'll continue to personally use it. It's a great list. It's honest and accurate. |
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