rachelsfx
join:2004-09-27
Pensacola, FL
1 edit | We may be behind Canada
But probably not in quality.
Small industrial countries should be ahead.
I still do not support any fees or taxes to bring us to #1 though. S. Korea only accomplished it because the Telco is a monopoly pretty much owned, I think, and controlled by the gov't. A nuke from N. Korea would end that real quick though. |
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brooklynman4
join:2004-09-07
Brooklyn, NY | Come on we can do better than that right?? |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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|  Canada leads G7 in broadband penetration
Way to go!
of course, when you've got some companies running their broadband fiber backbone (oc-192) through towns of ~1000 and deploying Cable Internet cheap, you're going to get good broadband penetration.
eg. »www.bigpipeinc.com/pdf/network_m···line.pdf
»www.bigpipeinc.com/pdf/network_m···bone.pdf
My old hometown of White River has +5Mbps cable w/o TV for CDN $37.95
»www.vianet.ca/cable_nwestern_on.php
»www.vianet.ca/hsa.php
Blame Canada... |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: We may be behind Canada
said by rachelsfx  :But probably not in quality. Small industrial countries should be ahead. I still do not support any fees or taxes to bring us to #1 though. S. Korea only accomplished it because the Telco is a monopoly pretty much owned, I think, and controlled by the gov't. A nuke from N. Korea would end that real quick though. Most ISP are basically monopolies here too. People at most have TWO choices for an broadband ISP.
Also the whole "the US is so much bigger" excuse is just lame. Ok let's look at it by state. Let's compare small but very populated states to some of these countries. I bet those states still lag behind in broadband penetration in comparison. What is Rhode Island's broadband penetration % compared to these Euro countries. Half the COUNTIES in the US are bigger than Rhode Island. |
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footballdude
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Imperial, MO
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said by rachelsfx :A nuke from N. Korea would end that real quick though. KJI isn't going to nuke South Korea. His whole manic plan is to reunite Korea. He wants to use the nuke as leverage so that he can invade SK without American or Japanese intervention.
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major marco
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Stepford, CA
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The U.S. will never achieve similiar penetration levels of the EC or Japan. Never. At least until the telcos have their pet politicians pass a law that allows them to nix Net Neutrality and double dip. And the pending AT&T giveaway will be especially conducive to keeping the country at the bottom of the broadband penetration chart.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| It should be also interesting to note, that the US has at least double the overall amount of broadband users than the next nearest country, and in some cases, more broadband users than some of the other countries total population (i.e. Canada has only ~30 million people vs. 54 million US broadband subs). |
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | "We still have the most total connections" You mean we're #1!!!
U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A! |
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nalaregeork
join:2004-08-25
Yorktown Heights, NY
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Statistics are a great tool that politicians and people with a political agenda use to manipulate us all into thinking one way or the other.
I think monopolies are really our worst enemies I beleive in free enterprise the trouble is we are regulated to the hilt. If a small town wanted to wire themselves I think they would meet with a lot of roadblocks. Try and see if you can put a wire up on a utility pole (legally) and you will find out who really owns what. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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|  148 million broadband users in US
The United States has the largest total number of broadband subscribers in the OECD at 57 million. And I read subscribers as households subscribed, not broadband users in that stat from the OECD.
And when you take into account that their are 2.59 persons per household(2000 US census) in the US, that means there are 148 million people with access to broadband in the US. With a total population of 296 million(2005 census estimate) in the US, that means 50% of the US population has broadband access. And that number isn't based on the often derided FCC definition of broadband by zipcode.
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: Keep Dreaming
said by en102 :It should be also interesting to note, that the US has at least double the overall amount of broadband users than the next nearest country, and in some cases, more broadband users than some of the other countries total population (i.e. Canada has only ~30 million people vs. 54 million US broadband subs). It should be noted that the US has more because only China and India have more people than the US.
So a country that has say 100 million people where 20% are literate is more educated than one that has 10 million, but 95% are literate, because the bigger country has 20 million literate people while smaller country only has 9.5 million? |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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Re: We may be behind Canada
said by footballdude :KJI isn't going to nuke South Korea. He just wants to nuke Japan and us!
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Eric Martin
join:2005-06-19
66308 |  What is the highest expense for fiber optic ????
Networks ?
Is it the wire or the labor ?
We could use public assistance for munis. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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Re: Keep Dreaming
I never said that the US is more broadband connected than the other countries...
To take your analogy in a different perspective...
A country that has 300 million people and 58 million of them are educated, while a country of 30 million has 7 million educated, the percentages are 19.3% vs. 23%, however, the overall amount of educated in the first country are almost double the entire population of the first. Ratios are one thing, raw numbers are another. 1 in 5 is easier to obtain than 1 million out of 5 million.
Also, many countries have a lot higher urban to rural ratio than the US does, which, in typical business speak, 'are not profitable' (actually should be seen as 'not profitable enough'). I may not always agree with the politics on it, but hasn't USF/FUSF slush fund already been paid into ? |
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Gwailo
join:2000-07-16
Richardson, TX
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Re: 148 million broadband users in US
Tkjunkmail, you make a very good point as if you look at the raw statistics, it says 16.8% of the USA "population" is connected but in fact, homes are connected, not necessarily people.
I looked through the report and never did see anywhere where it says the percent of homes connected by country. Some countries in the list statistically have larger family sizes and others smaller family sizes so it would appear to me that homes should be the common denominator, not people. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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Re: Keep Dreaming
said by en102 :Also, many countries have a lot higher urban to rural ratio than the US does, which, in typical business speak, 'are not profitable' (actually should be seen as 'not profitable enough'). I may not always agree with the politics on it, but hasn't USF/FUSF slush fund already been paid into ? Also as I said compare the small US states with large populations and ask why their broadband penetration is far behind those other countries. Aren't they of similar size and popuation density? |
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02
1 edit | So what?
All this means is we have a population who seeks other sources of information for their news and entertainment including dial up.
Not wanting it and can't getting it would be two different statistics.
A lot of people CHOOSE not to buy it and to that I say, so what?
Next up, Bush sucks, the UN rules and FiOS installers break a water main. |
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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Re: What is the highest expense for fiber optic ????
said by Eric Martin :Networks ? Is it the wire or the labor ? We could use public assistance for munis. I'd say it was the government. Local and State governments all over this country are imposing inane requirements on broadband providers who want to deploy service. A lot of these providers are finding that it is simply not worth the effort to deal with these restrictions.
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squid7
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join:2006-09-02 | reply to en102
Re: Keep Dreaming
With the US population as large as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast alone has more broadband users and entire countries do. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to TKJunkMail
Re: 148 million broadband users in US
said by TKJunkMail : And that number isn't based on the often derided FCC definition of broadband by zipcode. But is it using the FCC definition of "broadband" which they say is 200 kbps or higher? Let's compare apples with apples. How many houses have ACCESS( because not everyone wants the internet )to at least 1.5 Mbps broadband( which would by my minimum speed for "broadband" ). I would say that number in the US is far smaller than 50% |
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