hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | ......
If you could get dsl. Too many places dont have dsl so the merger is pointless to some people getting broadband. |
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hayapoopa
@mindspring.com | ummm don't they have more DSLAMs then any other telco?!? |
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jervin123
join:2005-04-14
Philadelphia, PA | maybe the have very low capacity ones |
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
clubs:
| Whats the point...it was a condition of the last merger!
Forcing them to offer naked DSL didn't work out so well last time. It was a condition of the SBC/ATT merger, yet few if any have seen it. And those who CAN get it, find it costs more for naked DSL than for DSL plus metered rate service, so its still a pointless concept.
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rdmiller
join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA | Conservatives?
Karl,
They're called Republicans. We don't have a Conservative Party here in the US. |
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hayabusa3303
Over 200 mph
Premium
join:2005-06-29
clubs: | reply to jervin123
Re: ......
They put glass to my CO 4 years ago guess what still no dsl. LAst time i talked to a tech out here he told me they have no plans to put light down it anytime soon. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Naked is Required
Naked DSL is required to be offered but they have a certain amount of time to offer it and only for one year or two (not sure how many). So what's really the point of having it offered if they're just going to say you only have to offer it for X amount of years and that's it? |
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owenhome
keeper of the magic blue smoke
Premium
join:2002-07-13
Bentonville, AR |  Hold on a second....
Wasn't naked DSL for 2 years a requirement of the SBC/ATT merger?????????
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
| reply to rdmiller
Re: Conservatives?
said by rdmiller  :Karl, They're called Republicans. We don't have a Conservative Party here in the US. There is a Conservative party in New York State. But unfortunately, most states' political systems are skewed against any party other than Dems or Repubs.
»www.cpnys.org/history/history.html |
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wayne8888
join:2005-10-16
Baltimore, MD
 ·XOHM WiMAX
 ·Cavalier Telephone
| reply to Camelot One
Re: Whats the point...it was a condition of the last merger!
Verizon was forced to offer naked DSL as part of its approval to acquire MCI. You can get the fastest (up to 3mbps/768kbps) for $34.95 per month which is $5 more per month than the same speed bundled with telephone. In the long run, you save because even the lowest no-feature telephone plan costs like $17.60 (at least in Baltimore) after those taxes surcharges and fees were added in. So in effect, I was saving $12.60 per month with naked DSL (also called dry-loop dsl) You have to ask to be switched from regular to naked DSL and they make you change phone numbers (which is like a virtual phone number anyway since there is no dialtone). I liked it but I decided to go back to Comcast and pay more for the greater speed (8mbps/768kbps plus the new powerburst with up to 16mbps) (at least until FIOS is available). But anyway, dryloop DSL plus voice over IP is a very economical way of combining internet and umlimited local, long distance and even international phone service (due to the virtually total elimation of taxes surcharges and fees).
Wayne |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26 | Divest Wireless Spectrum
They are not going to use it. The other options are just contract/ToS provisions that are easily minimized. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to rdmiller
Re: Conservatives?
said by rdmiller :Karl, They're called Republicans. We don't have a Conservative Party here in the US. Karl should have used a lower-case "c."
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to owenhome
Re: Hold on a second....
It was 1 year i thought and they had to install it within 2 years of the merger. |
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SnittyKitty2
join:2002-10-19
Opelika, AL
| reply to hayabusa3303
Naked DSL
1st: BellSouth Preferred Pack - $29.95;
2nd: "Gov't Mandated & Authorized Charges" - $4.43 ("Federal Excise Tax - $1.11, AL - State & Local Taxes - $2.19, Telecommunication Relay Service - $0.15 Emergency 911 Service - $0.98;
3rd: "Surcharges and Other Fees" - $7.09 ("FCC Authorized Charge for Network Access" - $6.50 and "Federal Universal Service Charge" - $0.59);
4th: DSL Extreme - $37.95;
5th: Gov't Mandated & Authorized Charges (AL - State/Local Tax) - $2.28)
6th: Refund for Regulated Cost Recovery Fee - $-1.82 for FastAccess account.
Total: $79.88
Someone explain to me the logic of any Telco rolling out VoIP, when FCC several months ago pulled the rug out of state commissioner offices over the subject of naked DSL? BellSouth didn't seem to have a problem with in Georgia and Louisiana. That said, it cost $59.95 for the service unbundled.
If you're forced to have a local phone line, where's the logic? Cable subscribers using the service?
We live in an area where you can see the cable TV line, but there isn't enough saturation of homes for the company to run us a line to our home. And if I had cable, I wouldn't own a home phone, period!!! And why? Our cells we use exclusively for long distance calls and literally for all calls. We might answer our phone once a week, with all the crap we get calling from satellite TV to credit cards.
Whether it's T-Mobile, our cellular provider which I understand intends to roll-out Wi-Max, living deep in the woods, we don't have choices like many others do. It pisses us off that companies deliberately make it hard for customers to have choices.
If you live in Phenix City, AL, you know exactly what I'm talking about - 1 cable company monopolizes the entire area.
If you live in Auburn & Opelika, while there is more choice, it amazes us where DSL is offered, like us, deep in the woods, yet others, just across the street from us, no DSL, not even BellSouth, but Alltel.
The Montgomery LATA and Columbus LATA exist here in Lee County, it's long distance if you call your next door neighbor, and no plan they offer can change that, except their unlimited long distance plan, yet if you live in Montgomery and you live where I do, it's free of charge.
I get that where the lines are drawn, what border you live on, etc. this sort of stuff happens.
But it seems to me, every attempt to streamline, make this technology acceptable to all is deliberately made difficult unless you live in big cities.
I understand costs, I really do, but when you sit down and really crunch the numbers, and your neighbor happens to be the last run for CATV and you're not, and the difference in cost is well over $50 a month...it will drive you nuts when you're forced to do things their way.
Naked DSL shouldn't cost $60 in Georgia, when with local service it cost as low as $25, depending on what bundle you have, but my main problem with this tactic is the same as having a food coupon that's worth $1 off. If I buy the product, I save a buck, if I don't buy the product, I save even more. I don't understand the logic Telco use to make you buy their products, when it seems to me all the common sense in the world is to make different technology available...aka choice!
It never seems to matter who it is...like taxes, doesn't matter what state you go to, everybody has a tax or a fee for something...same with the Telcos...everybody has a USF, and there are only subtle differences between them, and only a few dollars when you really do the numbers from one Telco to the next.
And about that AT&T BellSouth merger... amazing to think it was only 20 or so years ago Ma Bell (AT&T) was broke up into all the baby bells and why was it broken up? Have we not learned the lesson...aka Microsoft...it doesn't create software, they buy out smaller and innovative companies and then sell their software under "Microsoft."
I'm done ranting.... Y'all be good!
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Obliteration
Premium
join:2005-09-18
Somewhere | Naked DSL costs more with AT&T already....
No point in getting naked DSL. They offer it but it costs more. They should be forced to offer it at a slightly cheaper or equal price as non naked DSL and phone. |
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rdmiller
join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA | reply to pnh102
Re: Conservatives?
No. He should have used an upper-case 'Republican'. It is the name of the party. |
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rdmiller
join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA | reply to SD6
Is the FCC a New York state organization? No. |
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jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | above
i agree |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
Premium
join:2002-12-16
Lowellville, OH
·Armstrong Zoom In..
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to hayapoopa
Re: ......
said by hayapoopa :
ummm don't they have more DSLAMs then any other telco?!?
What's that matter? Until everyone is served that fact doesn't mean squat to those who are still too far from the central office with no live RT. I think if Mabell, whoops I mean AT&T, wants to get bigger, tough conditions such as coverage wide DSL should be enforced.
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
·T-Mobile US
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to wayne8888
Re: Whats the point...it was a condition of the last merger!
said by wayne8888 :Verizon was forced to offer naked DSL as part of its approval to acquire MCI. You can get the fastest (up to 3mbps/768kbps) for $34.95 per month which is $5 more per month than the same speed bundled with telephone. In the long run, you save because even the lowest no-feature telephone plan costs like $17.60 (at least in Baltimore) after those taxes surcharges and fees were added in. So in effect, I was saving $12.60 per month with naked DSL (also called dry-loop dsl) You have to ask to be switched from regular to naked DSL and they make you change phone numbers (which is like a virtual phone number anyway since there is no dialtone). I liked it but I decided to go back to Comcast and pay more for the greater speed (8mbps/768kbps plus the new powerburst with up to 16mbps) (at least until FIOS is available). But anyway, dryloop DSL plus voice over IP is a very economical way of combining internet and umlimited local, long distance and even international phone service (due to the virtually total elimation of taxes surcharges and fees). Wayne Naked DSL may be offered, but it isn't cheap. To get a "naked" DSL line here in KC, i'd have to pay around $15 in other fees. Alternatively, I could get a pay-by-the-minute phone for $7/mo. Add on top of that the $34.95/mo, + taxes and other fees, and my DSL bill would come to $48.17/mo. Add onto that the cost of the modem and installation, and that's more expensive than the 44.95 I pay for cable.
Naked DSL comes at a premium, and until I can get DSL without paying an extra fee for "naked" dsl, then i'm stickin with cable. I don't need a goddamned landline.
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