  CPM
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| KGB in the USA.
Hum. Is it me or does it seem we are having less and less freedom. If it wasn't for credit cards, people in the USA would be living in the USA like a third world nation. -- »www.Iseeitknow.com - »www.Broadwayman.com |
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  N10Cities SILENCE I Keel You Premium join:2002-05-07 Roland, OK clubs: | ISP's, better start buying backup tapes....
If Mueller gets what he wants.....shudder....I would hate to see the backup tape bill that each ISP runs up if this becomes law.....I hate child predators as much as the next person, but this would be a archival nightmare for ISPs... |
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  jjoshua Premium join:2001-06-01 Scotch Plains, NJ | Useless
For those who want to use the internet for bad things, the only thing that the ISP is going to log is a VPN connection to an offshore server. |
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  Garcya
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The US mail is pretty anonymous also...better start logging that too.  |
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 RandomSCGVBV Not authorized. Premium join:2006-04-07 Virginia Beach, VA | Obligatory...
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!?!
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  RealoRc Premium join:2003-01-25 Brooklyn, NY | We are thinking of the children.. and we'd like them to live in a country that has no invasion of privacy. |
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  odreian615
join:2006-01-18 Chicago, IL | I think most of them do this already
didnt att say they will keep data for 2 years and Comcast say 6 months |
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  Zaber When all are gone, there shall be none
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Exactly why this type of thing will never work. There is always a way to hide where you are coming from like a out of country VPN or TOR. The first thing that comes to mind is that this will be as effective as gun control, it won't stop "bad" folks from getting guns, only the law abiding citizens. These people need to get a clue already. -- Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he will feed himself for a lifetime |
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  fuziwuzi Not born yesterday Premium join:2005-07-01 Atlanta, GA
| employment!
Now all those former Stazi and KGB employees can get a job they're familiar with right here in the USA. The f*cktards who whine, "as long as we're safe, I don't care what they do" deserve nothing less than "detention" without a lawyer or charges or trial. |
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  N3OGH Bear patrol must be working like a charm Premium join:2003-11-11 Philly burbs
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said by RandomSCGVBV :Won't somebody PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!?! Good one Mrs. Reverend Lovejoy!  -- Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy |
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  plk bo may sleep in loft Premium join:2002-04-20 Ogden, IA
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After a few months of collecting all the data, the ISP's strike a deal to sell all this data to help pay for its storage.
KGB is right. We are selling freedom for security. All these records will do is build a picture after-the fact. Its time to stop selling out our freedoms and tighten up access to our country.
As for the predator problem...Their are better ways to handle this then record data. -- Thermaltake 2000a/Asus P4C-e/p4 3.4/ocz3500 2x512/WD.2x200g/raptor2x74 raid 0/ATI 9600/APC sua 1500/Logitech z-680/ Samsung 213t LCD/MX 1000 |
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  beeman65
join:2001-07-23 Mckeesport, PA | ugh
No thanks |
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  texans20 Weapons of Masturbation Premium join:2002-09-28 Texas! clubs:
| Out of proportion
The whole terrorism and child porn deal is thrown way out of proportion. I don't like either, but is it really that big of a problem?
I've been slipping more and more into encryption. I have several friends using Trillian's IM encryption, I sign some emails now with PGP, and I use TOR on and off. I don't do anything illegal, I just don't want anyone knowing what I do.
The whole "if you have nothing to hide blah blah" quote is bullshit. I have nothing to hide, and that's all the more reason to hide. If I arouse suspision, then fine. Let the FBI waste their time on me; they won't find anything if they are finally able to decrypt some packets.
The RIAA/MPAA is having no problem bringing people to civil court via the current data retention. Why is it such a problem for the government? I'm sure if they suspect illegal activity they can ask the ISP to retain some data on that one customer for the duration of the investigation.
What's next? Making it illegal to use services like TOR? Perhaps making it illegal to wipe your HD? [sarcasm]After all, you only do those sort of things if you have something to hide[/sarcasm] |
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  Maxo Your tax dollars at work. Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL clubs:
| The streets
I've also heard that sexual predators and terrorists are starting to use the streets to get to the children to violate and building to blow up. Time to put bugs in everyone's car. I've also heard that mothers are starting to use their wombs to birth these heathens. As long as it reduced crime, let's put a camera on those things so we can track them. |
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  roc5955 Premium join:2005-11-26 Rosendale, NY
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In thinking of the children, I think that children should have PARENTAL supervision while browsing the web. Unfortunately, some PARENTS use the Internet as a baby sitter, just as they do television.
More stress should be on PARENTS supervising their children, if we REALLY want to think of the children. |
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  roc5955 Premium join:2005-11-26 Rosendale, NY
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said by CPM :Hum. Is it me or does it seem we are having less and less freedom. If it wasn't for credit cards, people in the USA would be living in the USA like a third world nation. This is just another Republican ploy to incite fear into people. Also another way that they may see who is speaking out against the administration, deem them "enemy combatants" and lock them up forever, and never give them a trial, or tell them why they are being held. |
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 phantom6294
join:2002-02-27 Abingdon, MD | reply to Maxo Re: The streets
Man... forget that! I hear terrorist breath oxygen! Let's just ration oxygen and force anyone who wants to breath to prove they are not a child predator and/or a terrorist.
Problem solved! |
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  CPM
join:2001-08-24 Miami, FL | reply to roc5955 Re: KGB in the USA.
This is not a Republican ploy. Democrats are the same stock as Republicans. There is no difference anymore.
Same BS. The whole U.S. system need to be overhauled. |
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  karlmarx
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| This is a plot by the **AssAsses
Don't think these laws will be used just to track them terrist, or pedophiles. Remember, the **AA's think downloaders are just as bad. Everyone knows the FBI will be used to track down those violent downloaders, and send them to our corporate sponsored prisons for a LONG TIME.
This isn't republican or democrat. Both parties are guilty of pandering to fear. It's time to kill all the politicians, all the lawyers, all the executives, and start a NEW society, where each contributes what they can. Down with the Bolshevik sheiks, it's high time we rise up and take what's rightfully ours. |
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  Titus Pullo I came, I saw, I slept
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| It all fits . . .
You've got Chertoff blathering that the Web could be a terror training ground:
"BOSTON (Reuters) - Disaffected people living in the United States may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the Internet and that could present the next major U.S. security threat, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said on Monday.
"We now have a capability of someone to radicalize themselves over the Internet," Chertoff said on the sidelines of a meeting of International Association of the Chiefs of Police.
"They can train themselves over the Internet. They never have to necessarily go to the training camp or speak with anybody else and that diffusion of a combination of hatred and technical skills in things like bomb-making is a dangerous combination," Chertoff said. "Those are the kind of terrorists that we may not be able to detect with spies and satellites."
Chertoff pointed to the July 7, 2005 attacks on London's transit system, which killed 56 people, as an example a home-grown threat.
To help gather intelligence on possible home-grown attackers, Chertoff said Homeland Security would deploy 20 field agents this fiscal year into 'intelligence fusion centers,' where they would work with local police agencies."
»news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061017/wr_···BHNlYwM-
Add to all of this the little celebrated fact that Bush signed a wonderful piece of legislation yesterday that allows the executive the right to suspend habeus corpus (look up 'you're fu*ked') at his whim, and it's starting to not only walk like a duck, but . . .
This is going right where the 'tin foil hat' crowd said it would 4 years ago: fascism, at a theater near you. VERY near you. -- "I am not young enough to know everything." Oscar Wilde |
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