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| Freedom It's crap like this that makes me remember all the freedoms we have in the US. Hats off to all the vets and soldiers who helped us know that freedom!
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| Re: Freedom said by Icon  :It's crap like this that makes me remember all the freedoms we have in the US. Hats off to all the vets and soldiers who helped us know that freedom! Yes we have more freedoms than Iran, but less freedoms than we used too. And this should be a reminder to us to be very aware at how easy it can be for the rest of our freedoms to be taken away. Jan 20th, 2009 can't get here fast enough. | |
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| Re: Freedom And you think it's all gonna change Jan 21st, 2009?
I don't see libs complaining when restrictions are put on the second amendment as much as possible, but when they see a conservative doing what they perceive as restrictions to things they like, the sky starts to fall.
Wake up, both sides are up to limiting our "freedoms", it's just a matter of limiting the freedoms you like or don't like. | |
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| Re: Freedom Whoa there. It's not the liberals who want restrictions on the 2nd amendment. Trying to label all liberals as anti-gun is the same as labeling all conservatives religious nuts. Most of us here on DSLR would be considered libertarian. That means we just want the fracking government out of our lives. What we do in the privacy of our homes is just that, PRIVATE.
However, it's common knowledge that the Bush regime has removed more liberties than ANY ADMINISTRATION ever. The Bush regime panders to fear and xenophobia. The bush regime is living in a fantasy world, where the US is the big savior of the world. The reality is that US citizens are hated by more people of the world than ever before, all becuase of the failed 'bush doctrine'. | |
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| Re: Freedom said by karlmarx :Whoa there. It's not the liberals who want restrictions on the 2nd amendment. Trying to label all liberals as anti-gun is the same as labeling all conservatives religious nuts. Most of us here on DSLR would be considered libertarian. That means we just want the fracking government out of our lives. What we do in the privacy of our homes is just that, PRIVATE. However, it's common knowledge that the Bush regime has removed more liberties than ANY ADMINISTRATION ever. The Bush regime panders to fear and xenophobia. The bush regime is living in a fantasy world, where the US is the big savior of the world. The reality is that US citizens are hated by more people of the world than ever before, all becuase of the failed 'bush doctrine'. agree 100%
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| Re: Freedom You all miss the point that you can not see. We will be the saviors and it will be our down fall. I will be gone by then but many of you will be here. Its all about the choice you make and the side your on. Dont you see the line is being drawn in the sand. You either stand up for what you believe in or you. Our country declared War on the Devil himself (terroism). | |
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2 edits | All this from a guy named karlmarx...
So by your own logic, the US must have done something much worse before 9/11 for the US to be attacked that way. Which president's policy caused it?
Carter's? Reagan's? Clinton's?
I haven't seen Bush put all arab-americans in internment camps yet, so I'm pretty sure your "common knowledge" is flawed, since there's no greater freedom than not being incarcerated. | |
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2 edits | Re: Freedom With respect to Muslim-Arab American policy, the president has said that calling all muslims fanatics is an insult to those who are decent Americans, to a respectable religion and to those who do not support the extreme views seen by Bin Laden, etc...after 9/11, he visited a mosque and tried to build bridges. This is a reflection of his own personal importance that he places on religion in everyday daily life.
He certainly isn't perfect (feel free to show me a president of any party who is), but at least he made an effort to reach to moderate muslims who (or should) love this country as much as anyone else (why else would they have moved here?).
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2 edits | Re: Freedom reaching out to moderate Muslims is a useless gesture when the war in Iraq empowers the radicals all over the middle east.
I think Iraq was huge mistake and the effort should have been in Afganistan and the Pakistan border. Add to that the administration tried to negotiate with North Korea by NOT NEGOTIATING and farming that task to China. Another huge blunder. Now lets add in a little warrentless wire tapping here, a little arrest without warrent there, a little secret courts and prisons here a little torture there . Add in with all that lots of lies about it all and we have an administration and President thats way worse than any administration we've had in loooooong time.
Now before you go aiming the "liberal" label machine at me and ask me to leave the country I consider myself a moderate that strongly beleives government should not be dictating religon or personal private behavior to me. They can't even control there own zippers.
Thats another problem I have with supporters of the current administration the minute you show any disagreement and try to have discourse out comes the liberal curse word and personal attacks... another Bush administration tactic thats worked up until lately. It doesn't work anymore. Its a basic constitutional right to be able to discuss and disapprove of administration policy. END OF DISCUSSION thats how its always been. Those who don't agree so should be the ones considering leaving.....
By the way as a moderate I do think our government owes more to its tax paying citizens than a "you're on your own"... motto.
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| Re: Freedom thats second guessing.... where was Osama? did Iraq have WMDs? was Sadam even a threat???
Afganistan is now hosting Taliban 2.0...
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| Re: Freedom They also have a bloody territorial fight over Kashmer. So saying they 'just exist' is a bit utopic IMHO.
I'm not saying that terroristic attacks have a reason to be, but denying that there are underlying causes to a horrendous act never showed up to be a realistic long term policy
It's the international politics equivalent to putting your hands on your ears and screaming LALALALALALALA
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| there isn't one administration to blame. you can only blame them all. it isn't that we are the only ones to blame, its the british, french, and all colonial era countries that were involved in the middle east as well. we just happen to be in the position that they were in then. even if you don't know it, we are the "external force" they see every day meddling with their lives.
what would you do if other countries had been telling you what to do for the last 200 years?
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| Re: Freedom said by NyQuil Kid :Anyone using the moniker "karlmarx" doesn't have the slightest clue regarding liberty and freedom and shouldn't pontificate on the topic. [8F] The NyQuil Kid Anyone stating that has never read marx or has a clue what he/she is talking about. BTW I'm a republican/libertarian.
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1 edit | Re: Freedom Ahh, I've read Karl Marx thank you - congrats on showing your ignorance by making such a blanket statement. Clearly YOU are the one without a clue. You don't know anything about me, but rather than engage in a discussion, you resort to ignorant statements (not surprising actually).
Thanks for playing.
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| Re: Freedom said by NyQuil Kid :Eh, I've read Karl Marx - congrats on showing your ignorance by making such a blanket statement. Clearly YOU are the one without a clue. You don't know anything about me, but rather than engage in a discussion, you resort to ignorant statements (not surprising actually). Thanks for playing. [8F] The NyQuil Kid I was actually just poking fun at your blanket statement made to another member with a particular nick. So what did you read of, Marx? How long would would it take you to google his works. Marxism and Communism have nothing to do with repression of rights, Marx never makes any statement restricting individual freedom. At best he makes suggestions in his later (post 1848) letters that the proletariat should not take on aristocratic practices when have the ability. But you said that one with the name "karlmarx" would not know anything about freedom. I would like you to explain why that would be true. Other then that you are right I don't know anything about you. I would like to know your opinion on the first school of economics since that is what Marx wrote about, economics. Even the Manifesto is a economics thesis not a political.
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| Re: Freedom Chlen, while you are absolutely correct, it is generally a safe guess to assume that someone with his moniker is an ideologue. KarlMarx (the BBR user, not the economist) made a false statement that his moniker could be informing (leftists view the history through a tinted lens as if Marx would do the same ... he wouldn't).
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| Foolishness! To claim that the implementation of economic theses has no political or social impact on the lives of individuals is foolishness!
Individual freedoms are impacted by social, economic and political changes. Marx -- or any other philosopher, economist, political scientist, etc -- need not have to make direct statements regarding his views on "individual liberties" in order to promote thinking that is, or could be, detrimental to those liberties.
For example, a progressive tax system, featured in Marx's "Manifesto", imposes on the liberties of individual persons, (first and foremost because it's a tax system, but also) because it taxes some individuals differently than others. Nationalized media (TV, radio, print) also impose on the liberties of individuals as broad self-expression becomes subject to the filter of a single, ruling group. It's up to you whether or not this is good or bad -- but you can't deny that it does indeed impact individuals.
It could be argued that you're right about Marx being first and foremost an economist. But it's silly to think that the implementation of certain economic and social theory has no impact on the liberties of individuals. That just doesn't make any sense.
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I have never known a single, solitary American who's rights have been violated by the "Bush Regime". And I'd bet $1.000.000.000 no one posting on this forum has either....Quite the contrary, I find the Marxist-Lite Thought Police FAR, FAR more dangerous.
However, being that America is "the great experiment", let's get the Dems in for '08 and see how the ACLU fights a global war on Islamic Maniacs...
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I have never known a single, solitary American who's rights have been violated by the "Bush Regime". "Know thyself" - Socrates | |
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Calabash, NC | How many times can you say "Bush regime"??? I don't recall being any less "free" myself......... People don't need an excuse to hate you, it's just that it's a pretty easy excuse when you (the one hated) have things much better than they do. | |
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| said by karlmarx :Trying to label all liberals as anti-gun is the same as labeling all conservatives religious nuts. Most of us here on DSLR would be considered libertarian. That means we just want the fracking government out of our lives. What we do in the privacy of our homes is just that, PRIVATE. Mr. Goldwater, is that you? | |
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1 edit | Really? Since Bush has been president, nothing...and I mean 100% nothing has chagned in my life for the negative as far as being able to use my constitutional rights and liberties. I can still own and shoot a gun. I can still say whatever I want. The police still need a warrant to come into my house. Government cant take my property without paying me for it. I can still be in whatever church or practice whatever religion I want. Yeah...nothing has changed in my life because I dont do stupid things to be suspected as a terrorist. So tell me karmlarx, what part of your life has changed? Are you paying more taxes than someone? Are you not able to buy your favorite magazine? Listen to your favorite radio station? Did the FBI come to your house and tell you that you cant think a certain way or to take down a webpage for a certain reason? Nothing has changed in my life yet you state that the Bush regime has removed liberties...what liberties of yours have they taken. How has the regime negatively affected your life to cause you loss of property, life, or freedom? | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Um ... ever heard of FDR, Mr. Marx? How about other such suspensions of rights (common in not just American history, but all history)?
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| said by karlmarx :However, it's common knowledge that the Bush regime has removed more liberties than ANY ADMINISTRATION ever. The Bush regime panders to fear and xenophobia. The bush regime is living in a fantasy world, where the US is the big savior of the world. The reality is that US citizens are hated by more people of the world than ever before, all becuase of the failed 'bush doctrine'. Really? Common knowledge? Which liberty are you suddenly feeling a lose from? When you start making proclamations about which administration is a "regime" you simply elucidate the sheer folly of your misunderstanding of words and how to use them. The notion that you use that the world hates the US and that US citizens are hated by the world is to promote your political policies based on feelings, likes, and dislikes.
If the world has a problem with how we defend ourselves and how that manifests itself as a popularity contest in your mind, then I have to wonder why you live in a country that's so hated? Maybe if you moved to China, you can join the chorus of world hatred against us. Basically you are distilling your argument for the Bush 'regime' down to a high school clique-fest. Where the EU is the cool kids, Asia are the nerdy kids, Africa are the poor kids, South America are the vatos, and the US is the bully crew asking your for you milk money in the halls.
If you use the criteria in your argument of fear and xenophobia as a barometer of how this 'regime' operates, then maybe you should ask yourself why vast quantities of people all over the world are seeking a refuge within the US. If fear and xenophobia are being extolled by this 'regime' then where are the lynchings and evictions of massive amounts of Muslims in this country. If anything you are the one promoting the sheer lies of bigotry, hatred, and racism.
Maybe if you spent less time using nonsensical talking points and global popularity contests to convey your Sally Fields fetish of "you like me, you really like me" on a global scale, then maybe you can dedicate some time to actual thought that has relevance and meaning instead of pandering to your more base emotional dislikes of this current administration. | |
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My views are my own.
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| I agree with you, but, the one thing I would take another side with is that people here are libertarian. I'd say it's HEAVILY liberal/democrat here.
I am a libertarian with STRONG libertarian views. Government needs to go back there where it should be and much of it's power removed, if two guys want to marry, so be it! If people want to smoke pot, let them AND let the states do their job. The feds just need to protect the border, insure commerce, and protect the constitution.
With the strong desire, here, for the people wanting government in our lives, regulating everything, giving us and ensuring broadband and at a small price.. I'd say that people are either dems, or wanting to be called libertarian BUT will sell out for braodband.
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| So what freedoms has Bush taken away from us and how has he done so?
Has Karl Rove invented an antifreedom machine?
Are black helicopters hovering just out of the corner of your eyes so that when you try to glance at them, they move out of the way, then come back again to the same location of your gaze?
I tell you what, because you made that anti-Bush statement, expect the black beret types to show up at your door step...they'll dump your carcus in Fort Marcy park after scrawling Allelu Akbar on your back-side in order to to have the Muslims take the blame! | |
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| said by karlmarx :However, it's common knowledge that the Bush regime has removed more liberties than ANY ADMINISTRATION ever. No, it's not, Captain Troll. I'm pretty sure that either FDR or Abraham Lincoln holds that distinction. | |
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| Re: Freedom said by operagost :said by karlmarx :However, it's common knowledge that the Bush regime has removed more liberties than ANY ADMINISTRATION ever. No, it's not, Captain Troll. I'm pretty sure that either FDR or Abraham Lincoln holds that distinction. Oh Gee... ok put the blame where it clearly belongs...Abraham Lincoln.
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| Re: Freedom said by macaholic :said by operagost :said by karlmarx :However, it's common knowledge that the Bush regime has removed more liberties than ANY ADMINISTRATION ever. No, it's not, Captain Troll. I'm pretty sure that either FDR or Abraham Lincoln holds that distinction. Oh Gee... ok put the blame where it clearly belongs...Abraham Lincoln. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. | |
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Tolerance for what? Lies? Ignorance? You don't know me. And being as I have been here since
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| whenn are we going to realize that it shouldn't matter who did what and what they didn't do or if they are a Republican or democrat.. These people hate us, they dont care which party you side with. It shouldn't matter who in power as long as we as a country and not a party work to make this country safer from terrorism, granted we will never be 100% safe until the second coming of christ, but we need to fight this 100%! The bottom line is that the people inn Washington need to realize that this is an American fight and not a fight of who can do a better job at it.. If a dem has a good idea on how to make us safer then we should look at that and vice versa, until washington realizes that we cann't be playing politics with ammerican security, we are going br fighting this war longer than we should be... | |
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| said by R4M0N :And you think it's all gonna change Jan 21st, 2009? I don't see libs complaining when restrictions are put on the second amendment as much as possible, but when they see a conservative doing what they perceive as restrictions to things they like, the sky starts to fall. Wake up, both sides are up to limiting our "freedoms", it's just a matter of limiting the freedoms you like or don't like. Did I say I was a lib? ACtually I used to be a republican at one point. I'm an independant now. I'm quit capable of thinking for myself without some party hacks from the GOP or DNC telling me what to think.
Anways go re-read your 2nd amendment. It says you have the right to bear ARMS. That's ARMS not GUNS. Guns is a form of arms but so is a cannon and even back in 1789 no average American was allowed to own one of those. Just like you can't own a tank or a nuclear weapon even those both of those are also arms. So yes you do have a right to bear arms and for the last 200+ years the government has had the right to dictate WHICH arms you are allowed to bear and every Supreme Court in existance over the last 216 years has yet to overturn that notion.
Besides you don't need an AK-47 to hunt deer.
Also just because you think your gun rights are being infringed( they aren't unless you have criminal intentions ) you want everyone elses freedoms to diappear? Even though those are YOUR freedoms too?
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Pensacola, FL | BOTH tax and spend.
BOTH want more control.
BOTH are crooked.
And, NEITHER really care (unless they are trying to get votes)! | |
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BOTH want more control.
BOTH are crooked.
And, NEITHER really care (unless they are trying to get votes)!]
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| It's your LIB crowd that wants to:
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- Squash gov programs that consistently detect and thwart terrorist activities, and
- routinely use the phrase "can't we all just get along".
Let me know how well we're all "getting along" when we are attacked on American soil again.
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1 edit | "Yes we have more freedoms than Iran, but less freedoms than we used too. And this should be a reminder to us to be very aware at how easy it can be for the rest of our freedoms to be taken away. Jan 20th, 2009 can't get here fast enough."
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| said by BF69 :said by Icon :It's crap like this that makes me remember all the freedoms we have in the US. Hats off to all the vets and soldiers who helped us know that freedom! Yes we have more freedoms than Iran, but less freedoms than we used too. And this should be a reminder to us to be very aware at how easy it can be for the rest of our freedoms to be taken away. Jan 20th, 2009 can't get here fast enough. Oh stop!
The people of this country can take it back... just, the general population is too stupid to figure out how.
We are not like Iran.. no where near it. There is NO WAY that we can become like Iran either, so long as people don't take the cop-out attitude that it's "easy" to loose our freedoms here.
Maybe we will learn this in this coming November, where there are elections being held, and in two years.. and so on.
Vote the bums out!
BF69, this isn't an attack against you. I know what you mean and I am on your side... but you are right.. however, it's just sad that the reason we ARE loosing our freedoms is because the people in this country are ok with throwing them away! In Iran, they are taken away, here, we throw them away.
On another note.. the general flavor of opinion, on this board, favor government getting involved in many things.. (it's pretty obvious) be it the goons in office now, or the people that that are going to give us change (democrats).. a lesson will never be learned that the more the government is involved in our lives, the less freedoms we do have.
Maybe it's time to vote another party.. one that really IS less government and for the people.
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| Re: Freedom said by Maggs :What's so important about Jan 20th 2009, it's not like they are going to swear in a newly elected president on that date anyway. Don't you realize we're at war, and we can't let the terrorists win, 4 more years for George W. Bush, see Executive Order #11233  . Don't worry. Jeb Bush takes office on that date.
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| I think most of our 'freedoms' have been lost because liberal lawyers took them away from us. Look how many things you cannot do now for fear of lawsuits. You can't even look at somebody the wrong way. We are all freer today then we were pre-9-11 because we are in the midst of a war and can still dissent and say what we like with no fear. The only fear is printing a cartoon that might upset a crowd obsessed with a demon possessed false prophet. | |
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| did you read the news article below this one?
»FBI Director Wants ISPs to Track Users
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| Err Yesterday the FBI Director Mueller called for ALL ISPs in the USA to hold permanent records of the websites visited by users in the USA.
So what's the difference in web policies between the US and Iran from the perspective of our respective Authorities? | |
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| Re: Freedom said by TKJunkMail :Makes me appreciate the separation of church and state in the US all the more. What separation?
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| I'm not a religious person, having not attended any church in over 30 years, so this is only my opinion on separation of church and state.
Actually "separation of church and state" is a concept promulgated by the Supreme court some years ago.
The first amendment begins "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
This as become known as the "separation clause" which essentially prohibits the free exercise of religion and amounts to a defacto amendment. So in reality the Supreme court went against the constitution (Article V and Amendment I) to stop school prayer. | |
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| Progressive Iran? I was under the impression that Iran was one of the more progressive Middle Eastern countries. I thought they were more liberal thinking when it comes to Religion, Government, and the general population.
Or am I way wrong?
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Vamp
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| Re: And we thought the US was bad.. said by Vamp :I guess we are more fortunate than we think. Sure we are behind a few countries, but we have it better than most countries. I don't know who the "we" is in your heading, but I never thought the US was bad.
I get very annoyed at the self-hate I see from all the bleeding heart liberal on this site. It's those people that are always bemoaning their fate of living in the US.
Like I've said in other posts, those people should feel free to leave. But, they won't. Those are the types that aren't truly happy unless they and everybody else around them are miserable. | |
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| Re: And we thought the US was bad.. I don't consider myself as a self-hater, but the recent developments within debates regarding "security" have caused great concern. While I don't see any freedoms being taken away in my every day life, I wonder how long it will be before a misguided interpretation of a law or bill will affect my daily life. It would be nice to stop the "more security" crowd from gaining more power than the "personal liberty" crowd. It should be a goal for everyone to ensure both crowds have equal control over congress, allowing push-pull debates giving us a higher chance that security bills don't infringe on America's greatest strength: freedom. Or is our greatest strength consumerism? Either way, Iran's decision is disgusting. Lowering technological advancement does not lead to a better populace, it only makes the population worse off. I'm just in the camp that is starting to believe we need to spend a little more attention to the land between the Atlantic and Pacific before we try to "fix" the rest of the world. That's not self-hate, that's a statement that more focus should be shifted towards solutions to our own problems. Not complete focus, just an increase. There is gray. | |
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1 edit | Re: And we thought the US was bad.. You'll get no argument from me on your points. I think they are well valid.
My statement was more directed to those that piss and moan about how almost every other country is better than the US. Those people are the ones that can screw off. | |
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| Re: And we thought the US was bad.. I think I made it clear that "We have it better than MOST countries"..
Thinking that we are better at broadband/technology than some countries like Japan is just absurd.
They have upwards of 100mbit - Gbps for what we pay for 5-6mbps.
You make the US sound like it's superior to everyone else, when in fact it is very insignificant.
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Naperville, IL | Re: And we thought the US was bad.. If you're talking broadband only, I agree.
If you are talking about this country or our our way of life, I disagree. | |
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someone should do a study: true freedom and internet speeds.
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| Re: research opportunity said by morbo :someone should do a study: true freedom and internet speeds. strong correlation anyone? I was once oppressed by the tyrany of dial-up, but earthlink liberated me, then I realized earthlink was also oppressing me and I got Comcast. Now I'm waiting for Verizon to send the FIOS troops to save me again.  | |
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| Re: research opportunity And you shall know them by their battle cry:
"****ing lag!"
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| No, but he'll probably come crawling out of a small hatch-way, dressed in a white "clean room jump suit" with a dopey look on his face, at a FIOS training facility, then he'll have a scream. | |
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| It would depend on whether or not said country has a free media outlet or not. For countries where the state controls the news, yes, there would be a strong correlation, imo. For countries where radio and TV were not censored, then no, imo, there is no correlation. It would be an interesting study indeed, it may also result in China removing all internet  | |
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4 edits | Heh - just earned their Axis of Evil badge... ...from broadband users worldwide. Seriously. I can mail stuff using the USPS faster than they can send e-mail now! Evil indeed!!!
BTW -- assuming Iran finances/encourages/supports terrorism and trains terrorists, how are the terrorists going to:
•Check their jihad e-mail newsletter?•Set up their terror recruitment websites with video?•Log in and manage their terrorist funding bank accounts?•Surf the latest and greatest heavenly virgin pr0n?•Visit ESPN.com to find out when and where to nuke the next big sporting event?
Maybe Iran just helped the US out.
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Holly Springs, NC | Re: Heh - just earned their Axis of Evil badge... Wow all this over cap on bandwidth. You guys sure love your internet. No stop bickering and go watch a clip of a monkey smelling his own poo. Oh yea Dems are lame and Republicans are cool. | |
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| Re: Heh - just earned their Axis of Evil badge... Faster internet allows faster information. Information is the tool that sustains freedom. The first rule in removing people's freedom is to take away their information flow. This applies to economics, politics, military, etc. Whether it is an invasion of a country or a hostile takeover of a corporation, interrupting or manipulating the flow of information can give one side a commanding advantage.
The internet allows people to access information that is not on their "news" being delivered via the state owned radio and television stations. By lowering the speeds, the amount of information received in an average person's day has greatly decreased, allowing the state owned media outlets to gain more foothold. AKA: Government censored news just increased in Iran. | |
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Lorton, VA | So, you disagree with the tactic, but not the goal.
gee.
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2 edits | Can we nuke them now? All kidding aside, just imagine for a second this happening here. Can't imagine it can you? We like to complain about the current administration and how they are ripping up the Constitution and taking away our freedoms but Iran shows everybody what taking away freedoms really is.
On a side note,I wonder if they are limiting these speeds to businesses also.
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| Cultural Fallacy... "Cultural fallacy: taking one's own culture as the standard of good by which all cultures should be judged."
While an action like this certainly is shocking here in America, its a totally different culture based on a totally different set of philosophies and ideologies over there... To try and talk about this as if some major evil has happened is to step directly into the bounds of the cultural fallacy.
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| Re: Cultural Fallacy... Yet the Islamist terror organizations commit the exact same fallacy.
But do you know what *really* scares the autocracies and fundamentalist states of the world? That their own nations will be judged by the standard of the government of the *United States of America* and found lacking (by their own citizens)!
We don't claim to be a perfect culture; in fact, Americans rather vehemently deny it. However, despite the lack of perfection (or even perceived perfection) by the residents *of* the United States, how the United States is viewed from the outside is so polar as to be obvious. The nation-states with the most scorn and envy for the United States are all autocratic or single-party nation-states (this includes the governments of Iran and the People's Democratic Republic of Korea/North Korea). Outside of state governments, this also includes terror groups such as al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas (note that this also includes a large portion of the current bureaucracy of the Roman Catholic Church/State of the Vatican). However, a war (even a culture war) is not started for a logical reason. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: Hold up... I know right they turned it into a Digg.com political slugfest but my real question is how does limiting the BB speed to 128K gonna stop people from downloading american stuff it'll take long but the knowledge will still get there | |
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1 edit | NUKE'EM! They want to build nuclear weapons, then they train and send islamic homicide bombers to Iraq and Israel to kill innocent people, and now they cap thier broadband internet. Its time we pull out our thermonuclear weapons and f****** use them against these culturaly inferior people! | |
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1 edit | Can ANYONE see.... ...the bigger picture?
This predates 9/11. This predates Osama and the mujahideen getting snubbed by the Saudi government before the Iraqi invasion, leading to the creation of Al 'Queda.
This predates the Russian incursion into Afghanistan.
Here's some pieces to the puzzle. Osama, while studying for his economics degree in Jeddah theorized that the world could support $100/barrel of oil and Saudi Arabia was a victim at $30/barrel.
Saudi Arabia began a program decades ago to build and plant radical Islamic Mosques/schools all over the world, starting in the Middle East, Asia and Africa and spreading to Europe and North and South America. The sudden increase in oil prices has greatly increased the rate of Islamist infestation, especially in Europe as evidenced by the European riots and the slow conquering of France.
This goes back to King Faisal importing radical Islamist teachers from Syria, Jordan and Egypt in the early '70s to fill Saudi high schools and colleges. They were effective in influencing Osama.
Iran is funneling money to North Korea, via weapons purchases that serves many purposes, including supplying the US with another war front as well as ramping up attacks in
Iraq. Buoyed by shifting the Spain elections by train bombings, they are attempting to assist moving US elections toward the Democratic party via US soldier and Iraqi deaths.
Put this stuff together. You still think Bush is our enemy? Or Hillary? Sadly, many still do.
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To bring this closer to Iran, we blew our chance to change Iran by our tactical blunders in Iraq. It went unreported (beyond Middle East newspapers) that the Iranians held countless, impromptu candlelight vigils all across Iran immediately following 9/11. An entire class of Iranians have a great love for the US.
Our success in Iraq would have helped influenced the younger, educated class to thwart Islamist rule. Instead the opposite is happening, as we see in this story.
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| Bassackwards? No. I think it really isn't that bad. I mean, I got by with 52K modem. "fore AOL. "fore Netscrape.
Compuserve! and BBS....
You can still download alot of bin files and uuencode them...might take longer. Way longer than now.
Still. I have 15M/5M... I wonder how much the Iranians are paying (remember, they are not all radicals there...just that funny looking, monkey-leader.) | |
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| I don't get it They can do the same thing with 128kbps as they would be able to do with 1500kbps, it would just take a little longer. See how that government thinks? No wonder half the country is 3rd world.
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1 edit | Double barrel freedom I bet people will be "double-barreling" modems circa 1997 and trying to multiply that 128k! Power to the people, they will find a way around this.
On the plus side, people in the United States that are limited to 56k due to location, etc...can now appeal on a government level and say "Even in Iran they get 128k!" | |
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| Re: Double barrel freedom said by mainlands :On the plus side, people in the United States that are limited to 56k due to location, etc...can now appeal on a government level and say "Even in Iran they get 128k!" lmao | |
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| Re: Double barrel freedom said by short09 :said by mainlands :On the plus side, people in the United States that are limited to 56k due to location, etc...can now appeal on a government level and say "Even in Iran they get 128k!" lmao I second that lmao, very good point .
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