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Comments on news posted 2006-10-19 09:57:35: When Fios was first getting deployed, there were frequent complaints about Verizon contractors digging up azaleas and cutting gas lines - a small price to pay for those eager to get faster broadband speeds. ..
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 theeinstein
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join:2003-07-31
Fernandina Beach, FL | Better Yet I say if they want to freaking complain.. Just pull it all out... No cell coverage, No broadband, heck cut the copper... Plenty of other people would love to have broadband!!
Screw those whiny piss ants! | |
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Better Yet That's a good point. I'll bet anyone in my municipality can get DSL at a decent rate, and cable is also available to everyone. Everything is so small-scale here there is no need for RTs (copper). The lots are small, around 45x130, and the right-of-ways are narrow (70') so maybe they should just forget about us and put their FTTN out in the newer 'burbs where there is plenty of room for this stuff.
I have seen about every cross box around here and they all are relatively small and sited much more discreetly than the u-verse node.
Regarding the number of nodes needed, there are 6700 housing units in my municipality. If they can serve 300 housing units out of one node, they need 25 nodes here to serve about 110 square blocks. So roughly one out of four blocks would have a node. I would guess that 25% of those could be sited unobtrusively, in front of commercial properties and so on. So that leaves about 18 lucky households. Never mind that these things are so huge I wouldn't want one on my block. If I were one of the "lucky" 18, I would want someone's head on a platter.
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join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Better Yet said by ArgMeMatey  :That's a good point. I'll bet anyone in my municipality can get DSL at a decent rate, and cable is also available to everyone. Everything is so small-scale here there is no need for RTs (copper). The lots are small, around 45x130, and the right-of-ways are narrow (70') so maybe they should just forget about us and put their FTTN out in the newer 'burbs where there is plenty of room for this stuff. I have seen about every cross box around here and they all are relatively small and sited much more discreetly than the u-verse node. Regarding the number of nodes needed, there are 6700 housing units in my municipality. If they can serve 300 housing units out of one node, they need 25 nodes here to serve about 110 square blocks. So roughly one out of four blocks would have a node. I would guess that 25% of those could be sited unobtrusively, in front of commercial properties and so on. So that leaves about 18 lucky households. Never mind that these things are so huge I wouldn't want one on my block. If I were one of the "lucky" 18, I would want someone's head on a platter. From what i have seen here in San Antonio most of the new boxes are completely unobtrusive and you would not even notice if you were not looking for them. This city that is stopping progress is doing a great disservice to its residents. | |
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: Better Yet said by cwh :From what i have seen here in San Antonio most of the new boxes are completely unobtrusive and you would not even notice if you were not looking for them. This city that is stopping progress is doing a great disservice to its residents. I've never been to San Antonio so please enlighten me to help dispel my admittedly prejudicial "everything's bigger in Texas" stereotype. My off-the-cuff impression is that this whole FTTN setup was designed by a bunch of lawnmower-riding SBC Texans living in ranch houses on the open range, rather than midwestern & great lakes Miller drinkers living in pre-war bungalows.
How wide is the average lot in San Antonio?
How wide are rights-of-way?
Where are other utilities located: Backyard poles or pedestals & pad mounts along street right-of-ways?
Where are the nodes you have seen located in relation to houses?
Are there sidewalks?
Remember the city is the residents. If elected officials are not representing the interests of residents, residents are doing a disservice to themselves. Rest assured many people here prioritize like this:
1. Quality of life
2. Property value
3. More cable TV choices
Note that #3 is "more" not "better". Good luck arguing that #1 and #3 are not mutually exclusive.
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| | | | | cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| Re: Better Yet said by ArgMeMatey :said by cwh :From what i have seen here in San Antonio most of the new boxes are completely unobtrusive and you would not even notice if you were not looking for them. This city that is stopping progress is doing a great disservice to its residents. I've never been to San Antonio so please enlighten me to help dispel my admittedly prejudicial "everything's bigger in Texas" stereotype. My off-the-cuff impression is that this whole FTTN setup was designed by a bunch of lawnmower-riding SBC Texans living in ranch houses on the open range, rather than midwestern & great lakes Miller drinkers living in pre-war bungalows. 1.How wide is the average lot in San Antonio? 2.How wide are rights-of-way? 3.Where are other utilities located: Backyard poles or pedestals & pad mounts along street right-of-ways? 4.Where are the nodes you have seen located in relation to houses? 5. Are there sidewalks? 1. Typical lot size is probably a 1/6 of an acre. Not exactly a ranch.
2. I dont know, but it seems to vary. From what I have seen there seems to ample space for utility cabinets.
3. Varied. Some stuff in on poles, some is buried. Remember the city is the residents. If elected officials are not representing the interests of residents, residents are doing a disservice to themselves. Rest assured many people here prioritize like this:
1. Quality of life
2. Property value
3. More cable TV choices
Note that #3 is "more" not "better". Good luck arguing that #1 and #3 are not mutually exclusive.
You are right, more is not better. However having a single choice is typically not an ideal situation either. The new boxes are not affecting 1 or 2 as far as i can tell. That city is basically complaining about little. The lightspeed box is abouta 1/4 of the size of previously installed pronto box in the background. | |
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join:2003-07-31
Fernandina Beach, FL
| I say there is no arguing just pull it out.. Nothing says those companies must do business in that area... If it isn't in their best interest. Eventually those pricks would come back pissing and moaning about not having anything.. just give em time!! | |
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jamez818
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join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA
·EarthLink
| B-Box's & VRADs VRAD's are usually set up right next to existing B-Box's. The B-Box's were there before people bought their house. So if people don't like the way the B-Box's or VRAD's look then they should of thought of it before they bought their home.
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: B-Box's & VRADs said by jamez818 :VRAD's are usually set up right next to existing B-Box's. Maybe in CA and newer 'burbs, but not here. I can't think of a single home that has a B-Box in front of it around here. I am not sure exactly what a B-Box is, but most cross-connect pedestals for UG cables here are relatively small at maybe a foot deep and three feet wide.
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jamez818
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join:2000-09-18
Sunland, CA
·EarthLink
| Re: B-Box's & VRADs Ya in Santa Clarita, CA they do set them up right next to the b-box. They have 2 types that I have seen. A VRAD box with a power box right next to it and another type were the power box is mounted on the VRAD itself. I here that they will go live around Newhall next month. Some of them are already on and you can here a fan inside.
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| markosjal
join:2005-08-06
Mexico
| corporations vs Cities I had a house on the outskirts of Portland, where when Rogers CAble TV (a former employer of mine) got the Cable franchise from the municipal authorities, began installing lines and poles BETWEEN on the property lines. In my case there was no easement and I told them )when I was no longer an employee) to remove their pole and line from my side of the property line.
They refused, as well as refused to pay. In the end I ended up giving them the easement right, but I made sure it was limited to the existing infrastructure only! I had them describe exactly what the pole would be used for., and the kinds of lines carried on it, right down tho the technical specifications of the existing line and type of amplifier mounted on the line.
As I no longer live there , it would be interesting to see how they may have expounded upon or violated that easement.
anyway, we now have telcos, cable companies, wireless services they all are competing for much of the same markets. does that mean we should allow them all to build whatever they need un the easements? I would think not. Could you imagine if in front of your home each provider in your area placed such a box? Lets also say that for convenience they were spread out along the front of your home. Add a standard telco and cable ped as well as a transformer and yes uit can get ugly quite quickly. I think that local jurisdictions MUST regulate these companies, or the big corporations such as ATT will be manipulating the local governments through litigation. Do we really want that? Who has more money, ATT or your local city government? | |
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RIRWIN1983
join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| I'm going to walk a fine line here.......... While i understand that butting up 52B and Cross Connect Boxes, and RTs help to bring more services to a wider area that are too far from the CO. What i dont get is why not start there, and upgrade the feed from the co and go bac to the "old" way of things. Use a FTTH style deployment, but back to the CO, not a 52B or RT. Now perhaps technology isent there to do this and thats fine, but if its costs, think of it this way, maybe 10-20 yrs from now the RTs and 52B will become "obsolete" as the crossconnect boxes are for dsl. There is a neighborhood not to far from ne (newly built) that has a mix of both ftth and fttn. And to serve that whole neighborhood there is an area hidden that has the fiber splice cabnets for the areas that have that and a 52b box for the outher half, and unless you lived all the way in the back of the subdivision u would never of seen the stuff. | |
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