sherman10570
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Pleasantville, NY | Surprise! They sell cable gear...
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Cyber2lz
join:2001-11-15
Odessa, FL | Well..............................
It looks like the Telco industry's short sighted refusal for fiber buildout is finally going to bite them in the a$$.
Let the Games begin.
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE | reply to sherman10570
Re: Surprise! They sell cable gear...
First sentence let's us know that. |
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ross96
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join:2000-11-02
Dayton, OH | reply to Cyber2lz
Re: Well..............................
let's see, largest cell provider...Cingular is owned by AT&T and Bellsouth(ILEC's) and Verizon Wireless, the second largest provider.(part owned by Verizon) Wonder where they will buy all their backhaul services. |
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elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD | Cable networks are not reliable enough
Great, now my cell phone can go down too when the power goes out?
Cable companies cannot provide the near 100% up-time that the telcos provide to the cellular networks. |
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE | My service is near 100% in my area. Rarely ever do I have issues where I lose any service. |
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JSRoman
Premium
join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| You tell me that cable has fiber?
I thought is was written in stone that cable had no fiber and that Verizon and ATT were going to put cable out of business. What is all this about cable having fiber all thru residential areas? Boy you learn something new all the time. 
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LeftOfSanity
join:2005-11-06
Felton, DE
| said by JSRoman  :I thought is was written in stone that cable had no fiber and that Verizon and ATT were going to put cable out of business. What is all this about cable having fiber all thru residential areas? Boy you learn something new all the time. AFAIK, Cable is all fiber up to the nodes. Only the last "mile" is coax.
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JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
1 edit | I was being sarcastic. You must have missed my previous postings. I work for The Borg aka Comcast. |
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HyPeRbAnD
join:2006-01-07
Stow, MA
| Not only do they have fiber they have many towers in key locations. These towers were installed many years ago, we actually rent space to a couple of cell companies already. ATT is one of them. They could jump onto our fiber network very easy, because where we have towers we have fiber. |
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HyPeRbAnD
join:2006-01-07
Stow, MA | reply to elbm
Re: Cable networks are not reliable enough
For them to offer VoIP service they need to be 99.999% up time, known as the 5 nines. |
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DaveNJ
No Fear
join:1999-09-01
New Jersey
 ·Comcast
·Patriot Media
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said by elbm :Great, now my cell phone can go down too when the power goes out? Cable companies cannot provide the near 100% up-time that the telcos provide to the cellular networks. I am sure if the telcos can do, so can cable. It just a matter of copying the design. My power was out yesterday for 4 hrs, yet my phone worked.
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compuwizz
join:2001-03-05
Blacksburg, VA
| Already being used
In the Tysons Corner area of Northern Virginia Cox provides backhaul service to Verizon and currently bringing service to Cingular. With phones getting faster data service the old T1s going to the towers won't allow for future speed increases. Cox puts the cell providers on either a PVC or a dark fiber depending on resources. |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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·Comcast
1 edit | said by compuwizz :In the Tysons Corner area of Northern Virginia Cox provides backhaul service to Verizon and currently bringing service to Cingular. With phones getting faster data service the old T1s going to the towers won't allow for future speed increases. Cox puts the cell providers on either a PVC or a dark fiber depending on resources. Sounds like a nice opportunity to get a bigger return on their fiber investment while spending little money to make it happen.
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sherman10570
join:2000-10-15
Pleasantville, NY | reply to LeftOfSanity
Re: Surprise! They sell cable gear...
I thought it was worth mentioning again...
This is the same sort of "research" Microsoft has other companies do promoting Windows Server as "lower cost" than Linux.
- Sherman |
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rodrod5
join:2001-02-28
Houston, TX | reply to sherman10570
cool maybe they can throttle their CABLE subs bandwith more now to make way for cellular  |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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·Comcast
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Re: You tell me that cable has fiber?
Hate to shatter your little co-op on how great the cable companies are but I will.
Comcast leases fiber from national grid , as do most telco companies, eeee gasp how you ask ? Well national grid has fiber on every transmission line through out their territory (I have worked on it  ). I have seen every company from comcast to verizon to even little shipping centers (overstock.com suppliers in upstate ny and a couple others like even fedex and ups) buying a strand of fiber off them, they have multiple rings, so it's not like this report has real merit in claiming that one company has more of a reach then another.
Also comcast doesn't have fiber to every tower they own , and that is a flat out lie saying they do. I can point to towers in your area that are still running on multiple t1's instead of ds links which are now the basic service to a tower.
Believe it or not it varies region to region who has the best reach. And this study tries to glorify the cable industry when the truth is they have the same issues as the telcos when it comes to reach.
Although I wouldn't expect them to tell the straight and skinny on a report like this. After all they do sell cable gear.
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mistercomcast
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Re: Already being used
Now here is an interesting thought, remember that consortium of cable companies and Sprint/Nextel that just won all of that spectrum? Does anyone care to draw any conclusions from that? Sprint/Nextel has tried unsuccessfully to partner with Qwest to provide wireless service and well I'm not sure how many subscribers they can count from that. But I think that Sprint/Nextel is on the verge of something here by leveraging all of their current spectrum as well as what they just recently acquired AND then leverage the backhaul capabilities of the already in place cable infrastructure. This should be interesting to see how it all pans out for Sprint/Nextel and the Cable Consortium. |
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aelfwyne
join:2004-01-28
Beaumont, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
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Re: Well..............................
Exactly. And once AT&T and Bellsouth merge to become Ma Bell once again, they'll own 100% of Cingular. Verizon, like you said, owns their own cell also.
So what if Sprint and/or T-Mobile (the only other real competition in the cell market) buys from cable companies, the overwhelming number of customers are on Cingular and Verizon. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to rodrod5
Re: Surprise! They sell cable gear...
said by the article :
"When we consider the needs of geographically distributed applications such as cellular telephony and WiMAX, the cable industry's fiber network has major advantages," said Michael Tattersall, CEO of Stratsoft. "They have deployed their fiber very deeply across residential geographies with fiber access points serving an average of 500 homes throughout the country. Telco fiber, in contrast, is highly concentrated around commercial corridors and highways and is generally much less dense in residential areas."
This gear would tap cableco fiber, not coax. Since fiber has almost limitless bandwidth, a cable ISP's bandwidth issues should be related to how deep they've run fiber and then how well they manage the coax-to-the-home segment. Adding phone/WiMax back haul to their fiber network should not steal bandwidth from the coax segment. |
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