Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | Excellent Article
Great job Karl. |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
| Self-Interest
"Everybody acts in their own self-interest" Hold true to that thought and you can make some sense of the telecom world. "Hope that people do the right thing" and you will be frustrated by the seemingly inconsistent actions and statements.
Some Senators did get out there and sponsor the Muni-Broadband bill. |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| Every Action Has What?
An Equal And Opposite Reaction.
Keep going you right wing, bible thumping at the same time thumping young boys' bottoms, free market as the world - including working Americans - starves and free falls into poverty, death penalty promoting, calling a collection of cells a baby, while permitting genocide overseas, hell even committing genocide in Iraq, denying gays equal rights while getting divorced because you screwed an intern and your trophy wife is humping the Mexican gardener whom you've been trying to get deported, sorry excuse for a human being, jerkwads.
Push Harder to make this country and this world a more miserable place. Win this election next week. Kill More trees and more black men on death row. Consume more, buy more, spend more, dig more, extract more, recycle less, care less, be humble and in-tune with the rest of the planet even less than that.
Why? Because we're watching. The universe is watching. The power that be is watching. And we'll snap back twice as hard because blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled. |
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ftthz
If love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17
| interesting article
Fake experts, faking interest ... [so much money wasted on fake results] wonders if the money they spend on this crap would be better spent fixing up the networks and deploying services people actually want  |
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hurfy
Premium
join:2002-08-06
Spokane, WA
| I agree, let the market sort it out :)
The city drops a fiber line to everyone (even better fiber,coax and copper) and runs em all to a main office(s).
City sells x bandwidth (on line y) for $z to ISP, cableco, telco or whoever.
Any ISP/whoever can plug in the main office and sell you anything for whatever they want to charge. Virtually no regulations required!
Not what they had in mind? oops sorry  |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
 ·Fairpoint Communic..
| Where's our neo-con right-wing whackos now?
"Strange how such rabid fans of a free-market aren't interested in allowing market darwinism to play out. "
That, of course, is the crux of the matter. If the megacorps want to compete, then fine, they should compete against the muni's. If the muni's don't need to show a profit, well, corporate darwinism states that the inefficient companies will go bankrupt. And that's a GOOD THING. Muni owned broadband doesn't TAKE ANYTHING from the megacorps, except the shareholders. The plus side of that of course is that the RESIDENTS see the benefits. My town (taunton, ma) is a perfect example of muni broadband/muni power gone RIGHT. I pay 35.00/month for a 10mb symmetrical connection. I pay 40% LESS for my electricity vs the next town over (NSTAR). The benefits to ME are both tangible and noticeable. The benefits to the megacorps? Absolutely none. But then again, the profitability of comcast isn't my concern.
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kcir
join:2005-07-30
Butner, NC
| reply to hurfy
Let the market prevail WHERE there is a market.
There is with everything give and take. Where there is actually at TRUE "market" available let it prevail. To that end once in a state 90% of the residents have two competing broadband options offer at least 1M/1M remove all regulation and let them compete! This should give all the providers an incentive to deploy. |
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guest77
@64.69.x.x
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TKJunkMail 
| reply to karlmarx
govt run buisness
I can mostly agree with that editorial. The problem is it is also nonsense to pretend you have a free market when you have governemnt run services. Choose: either we want a free market or we want the government monopoly to run this service. That isnt sarcastic im serious states/counties need to choose 1 and go with it. Claiming in that editorial buisness will ever compete in a free market directly against tax subsidized service is just as looney as what you are criticizing. |
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Noah Vail
Premium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to kapil
Let's see.....
Hatred, Vitriol, Deceptive Lies, Outright Lies, Hypocrisy, Negativism, Defeatism, Paranoia and concluded with Empty Threats.
Nice Encapsulation of the Leftist Manifesto. Good Job!
After reading the above, will you vote left? Could this be you?
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Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
Premium
join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | @
How can you expect competition when it's being blocked and sent to you through the same copper wiring that has always existed? Explain me that one. |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
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Re: govt run buisness
quote:
states/counties need to choose 1 and go with it.
This is a false dilemma argument. There is a significant difference in suggesting voters should have the right to support localized gap-filling broadband measures and advocating national government run telecom. Remember these companies have shown no interest in competing in these regions.
Most of these municipal projects are private-public partnerships funded with private money, anyway. If these densely populated areas ever become profitable to serve, the incumbent will have to enter and compete, or more likely purchase the existing networks. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
|  Good thing it was labeled editorial - short on proof
I am glad to see you labeled this an EDITORIAL. Because your comments were long on opinion and emotion and short on facts.
For example:
position papers insist they are concerned with "optimizing broadband deployment" in this country, but the real agenda is simply maximizing revenue I am glad to see you can read their minds and uncover the "real agenda" not listed in the position paper.
the compact's signees are concerned with one thing: maximum possible revenue for their clients. More mind reading? That is quite a useful skill.
Their focus is not to increase broadband deployment. That would require offering broadband services to rural portions of America, where their employer's ROI would be dubious and stock prices would suffer. Are we sensing a theme here? The group doesn't want broadband to expand because profits would suffer. Which is, of course, not true. Expanding broadband means more profits. The difference is they see a different way to accomplish it - with less government regulation instead of more.
The reality is that these groups only truly oppose regulation when it runs contrary to the interests of their corporate financiers and their own portfolios. Many of these groups would find regulations preventing the dumping of toxic chemicals into river water equally "unnecessary" if the price was right. The old debating tactic of throwing up a stalking horse(accusation of pro polluter) and then slamming that and tying it into your issue.
The country's largest corporations currently control both sides of the debate over this nation's broadband policies. They freely voice their opinions via press release (and now blogs) I don't see any shortage of opinions and commentary that is anti-corporate and anti-Bush administration on this subject. There are plenty of groups that are having their day in the sun advocating for both government subsidized and ad-supported muni systems. Does »www.muniwireless.com and the BBR front page ring any bells, as well as dozens of others. |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| TKJunkmail, our resident mystery industry apologist, has changed his name and avatar yet again I see.
Did you forget to include any actual factual arguments in your post? Or is attacking the website for having an opinion the best we get today? |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| How Is This Wrong?
quote:
Strange how such rabid fans of a free-market aren't interested in allowing market darwinism to play out.
Government provided broadband is by definition outside of the free market. It is only natural that someone who supports a free market would be against any sort of government subsidized broadband.
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one no
@swbell.net
from:
TKJunkMail
| reply to karlmarx
Re: Where's our neo-con right-wing whackos now?
If the muni's don't need to show a profit, well, corporate darwinism states that the inefficient companies will go bankrupt. And that's a GOOD THING.
That's just it. By your own statement the Muni is an inefficient firm, but it is artifically protected from the market forces which you acknowledge SHOULD drive it out of business. Whatever they lose, they just make up with taxes!
Muni owned broadband doesn't TAKE ANYTHING from the megacorps, except the shareholders.
And of course all of your neighbors get to subsidize your Internet connection. Do you really not get why a free marketeer would object to this situation? |
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no
@verizon.net | reply to Noah Vail
Re: Let's see.....
I'll vote left because the right reeks of just as much zealotry. At the very least most of the left aren't radicals like the person to whom you replied. Say the same about the people currently in power. I dare you. |
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damonlab
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join:2001-05-02
Detroit, MI
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This article made front page on slashdot:
»politics.slashdot.org/article.pl···/2341240 |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq
·Fairpoint Communic..
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Re: Where's our neo-con right-wing whackos now?
"That's just it. By your own statement the Muni is an inefficient firm"
Umm, where in the world do you read that a muni is inefficient? My town runs a GREAT and FAST network, it's VERY efficient. Your problem lies in the simple fact that no matter what you are shown, you believe govt=bad,free market=good. I am living proof that your worldview is WRONG. I get faster-better-cheaper internet from my town owned utility. I get CHEAPER electricity from my town owned power plant.
My 'neighbors' aren't subsidizing anything. My Neighbors get exactly the same benefits I get. They get 40% off their electric bills. They get an internet connection that is 10 times better than comcast, at 50% of the price. No siree, my neighbors LOVE what we get. The only thing me and my neighbors DON'T do, is pay our hard earned money to the fat cat megacorp executives, and that, is the best thing of all.
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Rogue Wolf
Is Kind Of A Big Deal In Yemen
join:2003-08-12
Troy, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to pnh102
Re: How Is This Wrong?
I think the real issue here isn't in areas where service providers would have to compete with government. It's in areas where the service providers refuse to provide service, and yet wish to deny the people in those areas any option to form government services. It's basically a "we don't want you, but we won't let you do it yourself" thing; the companies are afraid that a trend would start.
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Let not the Demon in your thoughts.
Let not the Demon in your dreams.
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