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Torrance, CA | hmmmm...... As I have said before, these munis' are doing this a lot of time because of being ignored and cherry picking. the telcos/cablecos want it banned because it would make them look bad, in that the munis get done what they can't or won't do, and for a fair price. It's all about the money. I am not against capitalism, but if you are being ignored, why can't you fix the problem? Either help or get out of the way. JMT
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| Good for Karl! "but cities and municipalities wiring themselves and providing internet service on their own removes the possibility that these communities will ever be serviced by the market."
that, of course, is where the megacorps are at last telling the truth. They freely admit that some areas are unprofitable, yet they STILL don't want a muni to fill in that gap. If that's not a case of the megacorps whining like a 2 year old, I don't know what is. The megacorps exist to service.. hmm.. the megacorp! the municipality exists to service.. the citizens. Which country do YOU want to live in?
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1 edit | Non government funded muni-wide systems are OK Action Institute blogger makes the key point:
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It’s hard to put it any simpler than this: government-run services are not part of “the organic free-market at work.”
There is nothing wrong with muni efforts as long as they aren't backed by taxes and also if the government doesn't give advantages to their endeavor over any private ones.
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Lafayette Hill, PA | What private ones. Verizon and the like receive so much support from the gov't via loop holes and regulations, etc. -- they might as well be an arm of the gov't.
These companies aren't "private" in the sense that your local dry cleaners is private. |
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How about if the government or a neutral non-service providing company owns the pipes to every home and lets ANY service provider compete and do their thing?
Surely a free marketer like yourself would not object to that?
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Wheeling, IL | Obvious It's really very obvious: Muniband is taking business away from corporations that have not built into the area due to the area not being profitable enough. All of the funds collected and used by the municpalities for this purpose are misspent and should obviously be going towards the companies that aren't building in., just in case they eventually decide to support those areas sometime in the next several decades.
It's just natural selection that some cities and/or areas aren't built up. If they don't like it, they should move!
(the above should not be taken seriously)
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London, ON
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| Action Institute Hits the Nail on the Head "...broadband black holes have always existed....They just haven’t been noticable [sic] until broadband was invented." I do believe that is the conclusion of a 3 year old.
Touché Action Institute. Perhaps less time spent on your organization's slogan, a little more on your paramount conclusions.
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join:2001-08-24
Brooklyn, NY | reply to Linklist
Re: Non government funded muni-wide systems are OK Hold it. read this. »1Mbps Wireless Chicago |
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Re: Action Institute Hits the Nail on the Head
it's some type of logical fallacy.
it's making my head spin trying to figure out if this guy is truly an idiot. |
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Re: Good for Karl! Exactly. "We won't provide you with service and we don't want you coming up with an alternate means of getting service as it might impact future profits of ours should we ever decide on entering your area." |
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| My favorite quote "Despite Bode’s claims, there’s no real inconsistency here. And the fact that a current area may not be a profitable market for broadband provision does not mean that it will not be so in the future...but cities and municipalities wiring themselves and providing internet service on their own removes the possibility that these communities will ever be serviced by the market."
This is my favorite quote. Plenty of little towns here in the sticks still have co-op telephone and electric service, and the megacorps have no interest in competing with them for a few relatively low-margin customers. These providers are actually beacons of innovation, and provide these services at extremely competitive rates. I guess we should be lamenting the fact that there will never be 'market service' out here. My point is that most of these co-ops were started under government initiatives like the REA, and there is no reason that similar programs shouldn't exist to 'wire' poor or under-served areas with broadband Internet access. Getting a nationwide policy like the REA passed is totally infeasible, so why shouldn't municipalities take on these projects themselves?
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The Incumbents are also backed by taxes... and subsidies, and right of way, and exclusive franchises, etc...
Which makes you point not wrong, but irrelevant.
In other words, the telcos are fine with big brother (when it suits them). |
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 ftthzIf love can kill hate can also save
join:2005-10-17 | wild wild west ... wonders what would happen if we took rural areas as the frontier land where rugged individualism was the rule... meaning if they want something done and no one else will do it they will do it themselves. |
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Re: My favorite quote Many of those customer-owned telephone co-ops are doing quite well, and provide competitive broadband (and even cable TV) service to their market areas, which tend to be really out in the sticks as opposed to some sprawling fungus of suburban McMansions filled with whiny spoiled brats out on the edge of an urbanized area. |
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Re: Non government funded muni-wide systems are OK How do you plan to support that? Are you ready to pay the true, non-subsidized cost of delivering the service? |
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kudos:2 | reply to EAP
Could you post some specific evidence of that? It's not that I'm doubting you, but it's all rhetoric until the proof arrives.
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Lafayette Hill, PA | Yes I can.
How about this for starters:
»Picture Perfect Deal
This was done due to Verizon having the state politicians in their pocket.
And this:
»www.freepress.net/news/5593
They get special laws passed just for them. How bogus is that. They wine and dine the politicians (which is really bribing them) in exchange for laws just for them. |
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Lafayette Hill, PA | reply to Noah Vail
How about this:
»www.savetheinternet.com/blog/200···-telcos/
Why would a Senator do this? Cause the big telcos buy them (ummm, I mean lobby). |
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Re: Action Institute Hits the Nail on the Head Touché indeed. BBR saw fit to [sic] "noticable", but wrote "ACTON Institute" as "ACTION Institute." And you didn't realize that, because instead of RTFA you moved quickly to insult the blogger based on a quote taken out of context. |
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| said by operagost:And you didn't realize that, because instead of RTFA you moved quickly to insult the blogger based on a quote taken out of context. did you read the article? the quote would probably make MORE sense if it was taken out of context (but it wasn't). |
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