Vghrlt
join:2006-07-20
Durham, NC | bring it on
ASAP Johnny |
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feelthepain
Premium
join:2006-04-08
San Antonio, TX |  Powerline Broadband
Q: Is this, also, intended to span the broadband divide to rural America? |
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sadradiolifer
@midco.net
| well thanks fcc for messing up another dumb thing say goodbye to less interfering radio noise. that's ofcourse if any company even thinks about deploying this in rural areas i think not wifi and cable and dsl extended look better than bpl at this time just my 2 cents. |
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hamburglar_
join:2002-04-29
Columbus, OH
 ·WOW Internet and C..
| said by sadradiolifer :
well thanks fcc for messing up another dumb thing say goodbye to less interfering radio noise. that's ofcourse if any company even thinks about deploying this in rural areas i think not wifi and cable and dsl extended look better than bpl at this time just my 2 cents.
huh? |
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89707828
join:2006-10-24
Chicago, IL
| reply to feelthepain
said by feelthepain  :Q: Is this, also, intended to span the broadband divide to rural America? A: No. Despite some uninformed punditry to the contrary, no attempt has been made to deploy this to the unwired, unbroadbanded masses in the sticks. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by 89707828 :said by feelthepain :Q: Is this, also, intended to span the broadband divide to rural America? A: No. Despite some uninformed punditry to the contrary, no attempt has been made to deploy this to the unwired, unbroadbanded masses in the sticks. Not yet. If they see they can make $$$ off off that then yes they will do it. And the money is there to be made. If prices are competitive why wouldn't people not in the sticks not want this option? Afterall unlike Verizon and FIOS which they have to lay out masive loads of new fiber the infrustructure is already there with BPL since 99.9% of homes have electricity. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to feelthepain
said by feelthepain :Q: Is this, also, intended to span the broadband divide to rural America? That is the theory, but it sure looks like BPL broadband is a technology that just is NOT going to ever gain any traction in the marketplace. At best, it will be a niche market maybe for some large apartment or condo buildings that don't want to rewire their premises for all new internal broadband wiring.
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89707828
join:2006-10-24
Chicago, IL
| reply to BF69
You've still got to get it to the customers. When those customers are one or two to a transformer and spaced 1-2 miles apart, there is no sensible economic model that works. You still have to get the data to and from remote substations, and you still have to deal with the physics of power distribution systems. This is not the same as Homeplug, and the infrastructure is not already in place.
If BPL was the savior of rural America, it would already be deployed. This is not a new idea. |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000
clubs: | oh
no. why doesn't this just die already! i put this in the same category as blimp-band! |
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shortckt
Watchen Das Blinken Lights
Premium
join:2000-12-05
Tenant Hell
| BPL for utility's own use
said by news story :
Many utilities are interested in BPL solely as a smart-network monitoring solution, and are not yet sold on the ROI of getting into the residential broadband business. If a utility wanted to use BPL only for their own internal purposes (e.g. to read the meters remotely) they are not providing broadband as a service and are not affected by taxes & tariffs as an information service. Utilities have other time-tested ways of doing telemetry, they don't have to wait for BPL. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
2 edits | It figures....
Hanky The BPL Poo, He makes the FCC act like fools. But Hanky's money counts a lot because the FFC is hot to trot. |
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91439306
15,000 Watts of Bass Power
join:2002-10-16
New Milford, CT | FCC: From Technical Regulatory Agency to Political Lobbyists
So there we have it: the FCC, once a technical regulatory body, protecting the spectrum, has sold out to the interests of business needs over physics. FCC: Telecom business' new lobbyists. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| It's all for show
The FCC drags out something related to BPL every now and then so it won't be forgotten. There are no significant deployments or progress to report, so the FCC has to do something - press releases and ginned up announcements are fine for their purposes.
And what is the FCC purpose?
To keep the myth of BPL alive as another competitor in the broadband space. We don't have real competition, but the FCC has to keep that lie alive so their craven kowtowing to the telecumbents doesn't seem like craven kowtowing; as long as pretend competition is alive, it justifies the complete deregulation of broadband (except for the regulations the incumbents like). |
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mb
join:2000-07-23
Washington, NJ
·Comcast
 ·Callcentric
·Vonage
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to 91439306
Re: FCC: From Technical Regulatory Agency to Political Lobbyists
said by 91439306 :So there we have it: the FCC, once a technical regulatory body, protecting the spectrum, has sold out to the interests of business needs over physics. FCC: Telecom business' new lobbyists. Amen, and what a shame!
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| reply to 89707828
Re: Powerline Broadband
said by 89707828 : and the infrastructure is not already in place. I would put cash money on BPL being offered in my area long before FIOS ever is. Fact is I already have electric wires to my house. The nearest FIOS fiber is oh about 700 miles away. |
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89707828
join:2006-10-24
Chicago, IL | Who said anything about FiOS?
Electric wires are just the starting point for BPL. There is a lot of other equipment involved. |
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rf_engineer
join:2003-08-04
USA
| reply to BF69
said by BF69 :said by 89707828 :said by feelthepain :Q: Is this, also, intended to span the broadband divide to rural America? A: No. Despite some uninformed punditry to the contrary, no attempt has been made to deploy this to the unwired, unbroadbanded masses in the sticks. Not yet. If they see they can make $$$ off off that then yes they will do it. And the money is there to be made. If prices are competitive why wouldn't people not in the sticks not want this option? Afterall unlike Verizon and FIOS which they have to lay out masive loads of new fiber the infrustructure is already there with BPL since 99.9% of homes have electricity. The problem is you need to get the Internet to the BPL feedpoints. BPL only goes a mile or two; it's not a long haul technology. And what do you use to get the Internet to the feedpoint....fiber or T1s  Also, the powerline is only one part of the BPL infrastructure. You need repeaters and feedpoints and you need to cleanup all the noise that's on the line to get it to work. If it was as easy as turning on a switch, everyone that has electricity would have BPL and it would be price competitive. However after three years of non-stop promotion and about six years of development before that, BPL is still hovering around 5,500 customers and you can count the number of rural systems on one hand. ( Anyone know how many customers DSL or cable had after nine years? ) |
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BPL 200 Mbps
join:2006-11-05
Toms River, NJ
|  Broadband via Powerline is for voip, web, hdtv & smart grids
Now that the FCC gives the BPL investors clear set of rules, their investments will not be wasted.
BPL speed is symmetrical and the upload speed of new BPL technologies is equal or faster than cable speed.
read: »xrl.us/spnp
So much misinformation surrounding BPL, and conferences were a bit expensive too for regular investors. But if you search them on the web, you will be able to educate yourself and turn to love this technology.
Give BPL investors a chance to innovate using this new BPL technology. |
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N3EVL
join:2004-12-13
Shrewsbury, MA
| Even if your glowing report of the benefits of this technology were true, no amount of "education" can overcome its inherent problem with interference to licensed services: potential investors would do better to educate themselves on the physics of electromagnetic radiation before they decide to "love" this sorry technology.
Of course, if such investors choose to accept the assurances of the BPL community that interference either does not exist/has been fixed/doesn't matter (whatever the current flavor or state of denial) then it's their funeral. |
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BPL 200 Mbps
join:2006-11-05
Toms River, NJ
| Before FCC approves Broadband BPL as Information Services, they already tested that on the field for interfernce level for public safety. If you think they did the wrong thing then sue the FCC!
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···31A1.pdf
»www.fcc.gov/realaudio/mt110306.ram |
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