  karlmarx
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| My community beat the facist pigs to it
My town already provides me with a 10/10 fiber connection for only 30.00 a month. And now I can get a 100/100 connection for only 70.00/month (I'm upgrading on Dec 1st). Comcast, Verizon, both make me LAUGH. Comcrap provides a 6/512kb connection for 65.00 a month. Verizon provides a 30/30 for 179.00/month. Both of those are a total ripoff compared to what my town owned power plant provides over the town owned fiber network. BUT, my town also provides free wi-fi 802.11g (54mb) in the town center. Granted, it's not a huge footprint, and you pretty much need to be right in the town square to get a 54mb connection speed, but at least it's there. AND, it's FREE. -- Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 10mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs. |
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  TKJunkMail Enjoy the sun Premium join:2002-03-03 Avalon, NJ
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From a technological standpoint, early attempts show that deploying and maintaining a network of acceptable quality is a challenge{to put it mildly}. The model of ad-supported Web access is a leap into the unknown, and Wi-Fi technology could be leap-frogged by the increasing data speeds of cellular and eventually WiMax, which promises speed and coverage advantages.
"One major lesson I hope cities have learned by now is that a wireless network for which nobody is paying isn't viable," says Craig Fifer, the city's e-government manager. "If the government pays, it's usually inappropriate. If ads pay, it's usually unreliable. Another technical limitation is coverage, since public Wi-Fi generally won't reach inside or above the second floor of buildings.
Technical problems can dog a project regardless of scale or resources. Chaska, Minn., population 18,000, had to upgrade its town-owned Wi-Fi network after two years of operation, moving from the 802.11b standard equipment to the faster 802.11g to handle network volume.
In just a year or two, many cities may look to WiMax technology to provide that kind of broad coverage, as that technology becomes more prevalent and mature. Only some of the Wi-Fi equipment sold today will be compatible with WiMax, so cities might be in for an unpleasant surprise. All these planned muni WiFi roll-outs are almost obsolete before they are completed. Their coverage is poor; their ongoing financial feasibility is suspect; and needed upgrades will probably be postponed or dropped entirely. Somehow, I don't think all the wireless providers like Sprint or Verizon have much to worry about. -- -- My BLOG My Web Page |
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 vanDSLuser Unimaxx for your biz Premium join:2004-07-28 West Vancouver, BC
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| What is the difference then
From a technological standpoint, early attempts show that deploying and maintaining a network of acceptable quality is a challenge{to put it mildly}. The model of ad-supported Web access is a leap into the unknown, and Wi-Fi technology could be leap-frogged by the increasing data speeds of cellular and eventually WiMax, which promises speed and coverage advantages.
"One major lesson I hope cities have learned by now is that a wireless network for which nobody is paying isn't viable," says Craig Fifer, the city's e-government manager. "If the government pays, it's usually inappropriate. If ads pay, it's usually unreliable. Another technical limitation is coverage, since public Wi-Fi generally won't reach inside or above the second floor of buildings.
Technical problems can dog a project regardless of scale or resources. Chaska, Minn., population 18,000, had to upgrade its town-owned Wi-Fi network after two years of operation, moving from the 802.11b standard equipment to the faster 802.11g to handle network volume.
In just a year or two, many cities may look to WiMax technology to provide that kind of broad coverage, as that technology becomes more prevalent and mature. Only some of the Wi-Fi equipment sold today will be compatible with WiMax, so cities might be in for an unpleasant surprise.
What is the difference then between Muni's and private companies. At least the Muni's have been somewhat innovative. I can't speak for you but I haven't seem much increase in a lot of private services except the price that I pay for it! |
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  reboot_it
join:2005-10-02 Vernon Hills, IL | ...and the more choices we have the better for us. |
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  Yauch
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| reply to karlmarx Re: My community beat the facist pigs to it
I'm so glad you shared that irrelevant piece of information with us, again. Your completely off topic muni shill remarks never fail to warm the heart.
With out thread jacks how would we ever have an focused truthful discussion? |
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  Yauch
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| reply to vanDSLuser Re: What is the difference then
Muni's have been somewhat innovative? By offering regional based content a la the Google/Microsoft business plan. I must have missed that article. Or are we now considering offering an increase in bandwidth and a decrease in price "innovation" ? Oooo, they're pricing schedule is a whole two years ahead of natural market course, that's amazing, so innovative. Oh and I don't know about the great white north, but south of the border our private companies are continually lowering prices (albeit at a rate to slow to satisfy their customers). I've never seen a private company hike my rates on my internet bill. |
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  karlmarx
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| "I've never seen a private company hike my rates on my internet bill."
Umm, are you reading the same articles EVERYONE ELSE is? There have been over 7 articles over the last week where the ISP is RAISING their prices. Verizon, Comcast, TWC, etc. They are all constantly raising prices, adding in new fees, adding new restrictions, cutting off people.
Wow, you obviously don't read what you don't want to see. You MUST be a neo-con. -- Stick it to the MAN. Support your local torrent sites. Proudly providing 10mb of upstream for all your TV, Movie, and MP3 needs. |
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  garagerock Premium join:2002-06-14 Louisville, KY | Muni-Broadband=your local hardware store
The telcos and cablecos are the Home Depots of broadband.
Muni-Broadband is your locally owned and operated hardware store. What's bad about a little guy serving needs in little places? |
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  John Galt Forward, March Premium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp
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| reply to karlmarx Re: What is the difference then
said by karlmarx :"I've never seen a private company hike my rates on my internet bill." Umm, are you reading the same articles EVERYONE ELSE is? There have been over 7 articles over the last week where the ISP is RAISING their prices. Verizon, Comcast, TWC, etc. They are all constantly raising prices, adding in new fees, adding new restrictions, cutting off people. Wow, you obviously don't read what you don't want to see. You MUST be a neo-con. Aren't you being presumptuous in assuming that this person is using one of the ISPs you listed? -- A is A |
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  batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
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| reply to karlmarx Re: My community beat the facist pigs to it
said by karlmarx : AND, it's FREE. If you think things are *FREE* you must live with your parents. |
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  batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
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| reply to karlmarx Re: What is the difference then
said by karlmarx :Umm, are you reading the same articles EVERYONE ELSE is? There have been over 7 articles over the last week where the ISP is RAISING their prices. Verizon, Comcast, TWC, etc. They are all constantly raising prices, adding in new fees, adding new restrictions, cutting off people. When Verizon is hit with a new tax they pass it along. That way you can falsely toot that Muni Wi-Fi is free. |
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  tschmidt Premium,MVM join:2000-11-12 Milford, NH
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| reply to TKJunkMail Re: Muni-WiFi a technological dead end
I was involved in researching a muni FTTP project several years ago.
WiFi coverage and capacity is a big issue. It is one thing to put a hotspot in a retail store and quite another to blanket a large outdoor area. As others have pointed out WiFi was developed as a wireless LAN, that is a very different animal then wireless WAN. WiMax is interesting but so far largely vaporware.
In our case the business model was to provide wireless hotspots in selected areas and make access contingent on being a FTTP subscriber. Basically give people untethered access in parks and other public places.
The project never got very far so we had not dealt with the larger and more difficult issue of guest coverage and how to manage it. Figuring out how to pay for these services is always a challenge. Taxpayers not interested in the service rightly complain about subsidizing someone elses toy. At the same time data access has much in common with other utilities and will become an indispensable service in the future.
We need to figure out a public/private model that provides ubiquitous high-speed data access while at the same time encouraging innovation and entrepreneurship. A tough challenge.
/tom |
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