Michieru2
zzz zzz zzz
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join:2005-01-28
Miami, FL | !
Verizon copper will now be sold at your local Home Depot as pipes for your water heater. If they plan to move the entire network to fiber they need all the money they can get. |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
| Would Verizon really take the time and money to "pull" the copper out of the last mile?
It just doesn't seem that they would use the labor/money to do this.
Maybe it's not as time consuming as I think.
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David
No,there is another.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs: | maybe when the time is right they will let the local natives dig it up... 
Ok I am NOT funny!! nor am I being serious.
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ptrowski
Got Helix?
Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
clubs: | Actually the price of copper is very high right now, so they could recoup some money. |
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plk
bo may sleep in loft
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA | With the price of copper.......
They should be hauling it to the salvage yard. Copper has been sky high. |
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
Premium
join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs: | This is news again?
How many times in a year can we do it? |
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Bili den Axen
@verizon.net
| They have already stopped maintaining the copper
Verizon plans to dump the copper network as soon as practical to switch to pure fiber. Also, when they yank the copper it makes it very hard, if not impossible for CLECs to offer FIOS customers any service as VZ does not have to share its FTTP network.
VZ's copper plant has been on a steady decline and will not be getting any better. Money is being taken out of the Copper Line Budget to help pay for FIOS deployments, this is happening throughout the VZ system. The sad part is that the customers in areas that will not see FIOS for 10+ years{if ever} are paying the price with chronic troubles, lenghty repair times, and delayed service orders. There is not enough money in the budget to give the field techs OT to take care of the trouble, pay for the tools they need, or even to repalce bad sections of cable. Bottom line is there are not enough boots on the ground anymore and the budgets are too small for proper maintainence.
The state of West Virginia is currrently looking into investigating Verizon for a $100 million dollar shrinking of the budget there and the percieved poor service that has ensued. Also, there are some rumblings in NY after the debacle that occurred in Buffalo...possible layoffs of techs right before the storm contributed to the length of repairs there. There are also several states where their PUC{or URC, PSC, and etc} are fining VZ on a monthly basis due to the poor service quality. Some people justify this decline in service with the implementation of the next gen network, but all of the customers deserve excellent service from Verizon--no matter where the live and no matter what type of plant they are on. |
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA | doofus
cu doesn't oxidize like that. |
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srobmw
join:2005-10-01
New Windsor, NY
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to Bili den Axen
Re: They have already stopped maintaining the copper
There was no layoff in Buffalo. There was no layoff threatened. It was just one of VZ's periodic enhanced retirement packages. The articles were a total misrepresentation. They just took too long to mobilize techs from other parts of the state.
And no, I am not from VZ management.
And yes. No matter what part of the network a customer uses, he/she deserves quality service. |
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Rob A
Same Old Jets
Premium
join:2005-01-17
Pompton Plains, NJ | Who would want it back anyway?
Seriously, who would ever wanna go back to copper? |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
 ·RCN CABLE
| Reliability!
Copper is time tested to carry telephone calls. It's been carrying them in excess of 100 years. Sometimes newer is not necessarily better. RCN went fiber, and I didn't have phone cable or internet for 8 days. They need to have hardline backups but they are too expensive to maintain. Verizon built the maintainence cost into the bill, i.e. the dial tone service charge of $6-7 pays for copper maintainence.
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op
join:2005-07-16
Smyrna, DE
| reply to Rob A
Re: Who would want it back anyway?
said by Rob A  :Seriously, who would ever wanna go back to copper? Customer: "where will my copper go if it's being taken out?"
Tech: "The copper will be delivered to AT&T."
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operagost
join:1999-08-02
Spring City, PA | I hope not...
... because my apartment complex is installing FIOS and I think both Cavalier and I would be pissed if the phone and DSL suddenly went dead. |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| dozens of phone providers possible, VOIP STYLE!
If Verizon wants to drop copper runs/network, fine.. but the price they should pay for that luxury/cost savings should be NOT FORCING customers to choose(OVERTAXED/SURCHARGED) Phone-FIOS.. they should have a choice between that and VOIP from ANY PROVIDER THE CUSTOMER CHOOSES, not just Verizon!
Verizon will have to learn to take the bad with the good. BTW, NO ONE from Veizon can convince me that they haven't stalled/stopped some deployments for various reasons--particularly in NY. IMHO, they are getting lazy and complacent, cause they can play the game that cable companies play: let some customers pay more as long as they are don't wake up and realize they're being ripped off when a comparable service is cheaper. I never understood why Verizon thinks a $5 discount is a credible competitive incentive to bundle (while they nicle and dime you with surcharges/per-cablebox rental/taxes/fees)? What about you?
Ya' know, they could slash the friggen advertising budget to ZERO and actually lower the prices... the prices would advertise themselves everywhere, particularly on time-warner cable networks like CNN! |
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IAMHIVES
join:2000-12-16
united state
| reply to Maggs
I still have copper with FIOS
I still in theory have copper as well as Verizon FIOS (Internet and TV) . Since I didn't have telephone with Verizon when my FIOS was installed (naked FIOS internet install I think they called it)they couldn't remove it - I might have been using it for instance for different phone provider (I wasn't, using a 3rd party VOIP). Whether this means I can go back to Verizon POTS is a different matter - I doubt it, and why would I want to? |
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usbbtech
join:2004-03-25
Brooklyn, NY
| Aging plant will be phased out
As with any deployment of any new OSP (Outside Plant), the existing one is phased out slowly or abandonded. I can't forsee Verizon completely letting the copper plant sit there for a possible CLEC to try and obtain. If your currently in a area that had very bad copper issues , it will be very unlikely you will have any access to the existing copper ever again. If your in a area that is partially residential and commercial , that copper will remain in place but most likely to be devoted clearly to the commercial business. Basically you will most likely never have the ability to revert your existing service back to copper. The newly installed ONT to your home has the ability to become an overpriced POTS device. Yes , this is not of course in Verizon's interest to have you on the new network and only want POTS service , but it can be done with a simple switch of your service requirements. In certain neigborhoods , you may see some of the F1 & F2 pairs now being marked and saved for "special circuits" and reserved emergency service. These can easily be identified by a nice sized silver - cylindrical sphere , what is that - Pairgain service. In some areas Verizon is picking the best F1 & F2's and keeping these select ones for Pairgain service. What's Pairgain , it's a form of xDSL , that allows the ability of 1 , 3 , 6 , 24 POTS , lines to be delivered over a single pair , and then split out via a special NID. Note: If your elderly , and anyone that must have a POTS line for "lifeline" service and can prove this , you may be the only person to have the ability to have a possible dual service, or your copper not removed persee. Just my two cents ... take care and have a Happy Thanksgiving ! |
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Me42
@bridgeband.net
| Real reason to pull it out
VZ is pulling out the copper because the FCC said they don't have to share new networks Only the old copper ones that are existing. If they remove the old lines no more CLEC's can touch that customer again unless they run there own lines. CLEC's Wont run new lines so VZ just got ownerships of the customer again, Just like the good old days pre-breakup |
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AnonymousPerson
@verizon.net | Was phone service not cheaper back then? |
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Tikker_LoS
join:2004-04-29
Regina, SK
·SaskTel Saskatchewan
| reply to Me42
oh noz, you mean to offer a service i need to have my own network?!?!?!
what the heck!!!
I want a free ride! you put in the network, then I'll just use it, np
ps, no, I don't feel like chipping in to help with the cost of your network either! |
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raybrett
join:2001-02-20
Saint Louis, MO | reply to Rob A
Re: Who would want it back anyway?
And just as seriously, I have little or no interest in FIOS. Particularly the part where I have to provide power at the subscriber end. There have been too many multiday power outages here and I like to have, at least, a working phone. |
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