NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX | Except the guy standing on my lawn
So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass.
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1 edit |  Even free WiFi cities have logon procedures
Even cities with free city-wide WiFi have logon procedures that must be negotiated to gain access. This makes using WiFi phones problematic at best on the go. And, of course, secured WiFi hotspots will be off limits both technically or legally.
These dual WiFi/Cell phones might have a nice niche market for those people who want cellphones on the road, but can use free WiFi access like Skype in their own homes
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N3OGH
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Re: Except the guy standing on my lawn
said by NOCMan  :So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass. Unless you find a cop and a victim with really good IT skills, you're probably just going to get simple trespassing.
Since these phones work using both an open hotspot and traditional cell systems, the fact that the person is on your lawn with the phone isn't prima facia evidence he's using your hotspot to make the call. Unless the "victim" is savvy enough to pull the logs from his router and give them to the cop (and let's face it, if you're that savvy, you've all ready secured your router). Then the cop has to have the knowledge (and the initiative) to develop enough probable cause to obtain a search warrant for the contents of the freeloader's phone, and match the usage with those of the logs.
All of that for what is essentially a summary offense on par with a speeding ticket in most jurisdictions? Probably not. Maybe if it was an ongoing case....
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Kxpuc
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Houston, TX | blah
lol my friend piggy back'd on wifi to make free call's when he was in China a few months ago instead of paying long distance charges so it has it's uses |
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Yippz Voip
join:2005-05-04
Atlanta, GA
1 edit | Bottom line... Securing your wifi is now as easy as 1-2-3 as the routers have made it so darn simple.
If you're wireless is not secured, expect it to be used -- in fact people I know that leave their own router unsecured do it on purpose as they freeload wifi when they're on the road.
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lrtc
join:2004-06-05
Toronto
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Re: Except the guy standing on my lawn
If your router doesn't have encryption how do I know that you just didn't want to setup a free ap? I know most people are against this and I will get backlash. I’m waiting for if the front door is unlocked analogy does that mean you can go inside! |
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MadMANN
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Re: blah
said by Yippz Voip :Bottom line... Securing your wifi is now as easy as 1-2-3 as the routers have made it so darn simple. Agreed. If you don't use it, you can't complain. Well, you CAN. But you'll be the idiot in the end. 
Myself, I have 3 layers of passwords to access my network. |
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DaveNJ
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New Jersey | reply to Kxpuc
Just turn on the sprinkler system. I dont have a problem with a freeloader as long as they dont ruin my lawn. |
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operagost
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Spring City, PA | reply to NOCMan
Re: Except the guy standing on my lawn
No need. Just turn on the lawn sprinkler. |
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major marco
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2 edits | reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :said by NOCMan :So now you can nail them with theft of service and criminal trespass. Unless you find a cop and a victim with really good IT skills, you're probably just going to get simple trespassing. You aren't going to get any kind of "theft" or "trespassing" for a couple different reasons. First and foremost, unless you have a giant sign posted in a conspicuous place on the property that reads: "NO TRESPASSING." Secondly, most states don't have laws on the books making theft of a wifi signal a crime, and, lastly, do you really believe that you can pick up the phone, call local law enforcement and have them drop everything they're doing just to come running over to your house for the 90 seconds the stranger was allegedly "trespassing" on your lawn?
What're you gonna say? There is a big, bad scary man on muh propty wid one o'dem cellular phones...he's scarin' me wid his phone and I's don't like 'im on muh propty! Ooooooh, scary! Urgent. That'll get the PD right straight to your house ASAP. Get real. Ain't gonna happen. 
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Gogo1
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Re: blah
Yes, but most people are just not informed enough though. I can see six networks right now in my building. Just one is using WPA. One is open and four are using WEP. Even the WPA is probably something stupid like "nyjets."
Granted, if someone is walking by with a phone they cannot casually stand outside and crack the WEP. But if someone in my building is too tight to shell out a few bucks for their own connection they basically have five free ones to choose from.
On a related note, I was just looking for a router for a friend (yes, an ill informed one) and it seemed like there were a number of products out there on the shelves that are still WEP only. And cheaper too, so probably getting snapped up. |
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MadMANN
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1 edit | said by Gogo1 :Yes, but most people are just not informed enough though. When you open up the box, one of the first things you usually see is the CD. I know on the Linksys routers, they even put a sticker over the ports that tell you to run the CD before connecting anything. During the CD install, the wizard tells you how to encrypt your network. If you decide to skip that step, you can't say you were never informed.
Unless of course, you're like this guy:
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tmthskdh_o |
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i_do_dew
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Rochester, NY
1 edit | reply to major marco
Re: Except the guy standing on my lawn
said by major marco :
(SNIP)... lastly, do you really believe that you can pick up the phone, call local law enforcement and have them drop everything they're doing just to come running over to your house for the 90 seconds the stranger was allegedly "trespassing" on your lawn?
(SNIP)
That'll get the PD right straight to your house ASAP. Get real. Ain't gonna happen. Well there is that joke about the guy calling 911 because someone is stealing stuff out of his shed and is told that no police are available right now. Then calling 911 back and saying nevermind sending the police, because he shot them, and getting every police officer in the area.
The police arrive and catch the criminals in the shed, and say to the guy, "I thought you said you shot them." The guy replies "I thought you said there were no police officers available."
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n1zuk
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1 edit | WiFi phone makes it easy
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n1zuk
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Re: Except the guy standing on my lawn
The nice thing about my WiFi phone is that it makes casual wardriving that much easier. Tell the phone to scan, and it will come back with the SSIDs and if they are secured or not. Signal levels, too...
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Gogo1
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to MadMANN
Re: blah
True. Very true. People arent interested though. They want it right now and they cant be bothered to read sh!t... |
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N3OGH
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Re: Except the guy standing on my lawn
In my jurisdiction it would get you an officer. Some places have lower call volumes, and can provide that level of service.
Our motto? "No call too small"....
Heck, I'm working tonight and I bet I'll be going to at least 1 barking dog call, or something inane like that...
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major marco
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| said by N3OGH :In my jurisdiction it would get you an officer. Some places have lower call volumes, and can provide that level of service. Our motto? "No call too small".... Heck, I'm working tonight and I bet I'll be going to at least 1 barking dog call, or something inane like that... Irrespective that you live in Pennsyltucky and the local PD apparently has absolutely nothing better to do than eat and have time enough to check into no call too small, what exactly do you think you're going to get your hypothetical "trespasser" charged with? "Theft" of wifi?
Check your state statutes. Your legislature is lucky it even knows what the Internet is, nevermind having written a law against stealing wifi with a cell phone to make a VOIP call. You're living in a dream world if you believe that you can have someone arrested for standing on your lawn with a cell phone doing what you imagine is "stealing" your wifi with his phone. The State Cops over there won't even arrest a raging drunk slugging his wife & kids if there isn't a PFA on file.
Good luck with your imaginary criminal charge(s). Be sure to report back here if you ever get a "trespasser" arrested for stealing your wifi with a cell phone for a VOIP call.
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MrBentor
join:2003-02-18
Seattle, WA | reply to DaveNJ
My lawn is protected
Many people in my state use the Smith and Wesson Insurance Company to protect their lawns. |
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NetWatchMan
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Alpharetta, GA
| International VOIP/WIFI Travelog - France/Italy Oct 2006
I really wanted to completely finish this before posting, but it's already been a month now and it's time to get this out there:
"October 19: Nice, France -
I get up at 08:00 and figure I'll hit the streets of Nice to do a little bit of access point recon while my wife catches a bit more shuteye. I'm two steps out the door and the WIP330 is picking up wireless access points (WAPs) galore...Wanadoo_034212, Livebox_23134, etc. ...
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Full Story:
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